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Kinda funny that having a few dominant teams is suddenly a
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Kinda funny that having a few dominant teams is suddenly a


Dec 22, 2020, 12:06 PM

big problem in college football. Did I miss the memo? It's always been that way for as long as I can remember, and I'm 64. The usual suspects were always in the Top 10... Sou Cal, Texas, Alabama, Notre Dame, Michigan, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, blah blah blah. As the decades went by a few slid down and some newbies crashed the party, like FSU & Miami. But in any given year, only 3 or 4 teams had a realistic shot at the nat'l title. They were just that much better than everybody else... period.

And no, expanding the playoffs changes nothing. March Madness has 64 teams and you can almost pencil in the Final Four before the season starts. Well, it's harder now with all the one-and-dones and transfers and whatnot, but it used to be pretty easy. Filling out a bracket... let's see, I'll start with a Final Four of Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, Michigan, etc, and work backwards. Heck, you could probably nail 3 outta 4 if you never watched a game and only glanced at the AP Poll before the tourney started...

Was this a huge problem? I don't remember any hand-wringing about the same old teams dominating...

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Re: Kinda funny that having a few dominant teams is suddenly a


Dec 22, 2020, 12:22 PM

Preach on brother!

Been saying it for years.

Take any sport pro or amateur at any time in history And you will find the same dominant teams in the short run often even longer.

I guarantee you if you go to India you would find that at any given time a certain cricket team is the most dominant.

The NBA has half of their teams in the playoffs but we know before the season starts the finals will be whoever has LeBron James and maybe two or three other teams.

Back in the 70s you know the Super Bowl was going to be Dallas or Pittsburgh.

Throughout the history of baseball it’s been the New York Yankees.

It’s not about money because Oregon, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, and if you other teams would dominate.

It’s not about your name or exposure because Michigan and Southern Cal and Notre Dame and Texas etc. would dominate every year.

There are only a handful of good coaches at any given time and the best teams always have the best coaches and the organization that wants it the most.

And it’s not just sports. This is just how humanity works. It’s physics. There are only a handful of truly great scientists at any one time. There is only a handful of top movie stars at any one time.

There is this thing called the 80/20 rule, but in reality it’s 90/10 and you will find it in everything in life! It’s one of those laws of nature. Laws of science. Laws of physics. And when people try and compensate for it they actually make the problem worse not better. You can’t social engineer nature.

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The media goes bananas if the


Dec 22, 2020, 12:29 PM

Red Sox and Yankees don’t play for the pennant every year

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Re: Kinda funny that having a few dominant teams is suddenly a


Dec 22, 2020, 12:44 PM

John wooden and UCLA are ruining college basketball! Said no one, ever!

Magic and Bird are ruining the NBA. Said no one, ever! Michael Jordan is ruining the NBA. Said no one, ever!

That Albert Einstein, who the hell does he think he is. He’s ruining science! Said no one, ever!

Muhamed Ali is bad for boxing! Mike Tyson is bad for boxing! Said no one, ever!

That Richard Petty is ruining NASCAR! That Dale Earnhardt is ruining NASCAR! Said no one, ever!

Do you know what excellence does? Do you know what dominance does?

It makes everybody else work harder! It makes everyone better!

Back in the 80s when there were a bunch of really good tennis players from Sweden most of them Moved to other countries because they were tired of being looked down upon because in their society being excellent standing out is frowned upon. Remember that band Ace of Base? They had a girl quit because of the societal pressure in Sweden to not stand out.

Exceptionalism is the American way. Or it certainly used to be, but part of our decline is this ridiculous notion that being exceptional is bad. Mediocrity uniformly etc. is what you find in socialism and communism.

America is still a shining beacon to the world and people outside of America believe in the American dream and believe in American exceptionalism and that’s why people die every day trying to get here with nothing but the clothes on their back. The ones that do get here don’t find racism and prejudice and all this other BS. They work hard and they succeed! It’s all about your mental attitude! It’s all about your perception! America is destroying itself from the inside because of socialist and communist type ideology. Because of social justice nonsense ideology. And I thought the one thing that might stay away from that in America is sports. But sadly I was wrong!


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Re: Kinda funny that having a few dominant teams is suddenly a


Dec 22, 2020, 1:01 PM

Funny, last final four had NONE of those teams:

Auburn, UVA, Texas Tech, and Michigan State

The previous year had Loyola–Chicago - an 11 seed from the Missouri Valley conference. You even had a Mid-Major play for a championship. You haven't even had the B12 play for a football championship but Gonzaga has.

If you picked Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, and Michigan.... since 2010 you would have been :

0-4
2-2
0-4
0-4
2-2
1-3
1-3
2-2
1-3
1-3

Or has a record 10-30 -even Ray Tanner at outh Carolina would have fired you for that record...and missed out on Gonzaga, Loyola–Chicago, VCU, Wichita, State, Butler (twice)

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Re: Kinda funny that having a few dominant teams is suddenly a


Dec 22, 2020, 1:36 PM

You can cherry pick a few years all you want. It doesn’t change the fact that the same teams for the most part get the attention and are going to be in the mix for the final four. And it doesn’t have anything to do with the tournament format. Basketball is a different animal than football. All you have to do is have one great player on the basketball team. The NBA has proven that repeatedly over the years. College basketball has to a degree as well.

Trying to use baseball or basketball or any other sport as a comparison to football is just stupid and shows you’re grasping for straws because you don’t have anything else. Football is unique. You don’t have anywhere near the upsets in football. The best team almost always wins. And in football whatever team has the best coach And the most committed organization is gonna be the most dominant teams.

The reality is in all sports the best team almost always wins. But baseball and basketball because of the nature of the sport they lend themselves to more balance in competition and upsets happening more frequently. But even in basketball and baseball you have dynasties and you have teams that are more dominant and it has always been that way and it will always be that way.

The main reason you’re seeing more chaos in basketball recently is the one and done rule!

A rule by the way that no one likes and most think is bad for players and basketball.

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Dec 22, 2020, 1:44 PM [ in reply to Re: Kinda funny that having a few dominant teams is suddenly a ]

FYI Michigan State and UVA are considered basketball schools and it’s no surprise that they made it to the final four or one championships. Anytime those schools are there it’s not a fluke.

You mentioned about those four teams and over the last 10 years and the final four, look at your numbers almost every year one of those teams was in the final four and the fact that at least two of those programs in any given year didn’t make it to the final four they were probably pretty close and the game they lost was probably considered an upset.

Again, basketball is not even remotely the same thing as football. It’s not even close. All it takes to win a baseball game is to have a hot pitcher. All it takes in basketball for an upset is one team‘s best player to have an off night while the other team has a player gets hot from behind the three-point line. This is exactly why in the NBA and MLB you play multiple games in each series during the post season.


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I'm not talking about the recent past and even alluded to it.


Dec 22, 2020, 1:53 PM [ in reply to Re: Kinda funny that having a few dominant teams is suddenly a ]

It's gotten harder lately... again, due to how college basketball has totally morphed. You barely even know who is on the elite teams any more, from year to year. Which is why a lot of folks like me, who used to be rabid CBB fans, now only follow it casually. You used to know. You followed kids for 3 or 4 years. "Holy crap, the Tar Heels will probably lose Worthy this year, but Perkins & Doherty are just sophs, and Jordan's a freshman!" You knew who the core players were, who they were losing, who's coming back, etc.

The powerhouse teams were always well known. Indiana & UCLA were also usually in the mix, depending on the era. Georgetown with Ewing, Virginia with Sampson, Houston with Olajuwon. The Runnin Rebels of UNLV. Louisville had a great run. I could go on and on, as a lot of us old farts could do. But there was never any mystery about who the elite teams were. And even today, with all the unknowns and parity and rise of the mid-majors... no Cinderella team has ever shocked the world and won it all. I guess those Butler teams a few years ago is the closest I can remember...

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Exactly what I pointed out in another poast. the FCS HAS an


Dec 22, 2020, 1:04 PM

expanded playoff, and North Dakota State has won 7 of the last 10 titles.

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Said it the other day in another post that if you look back


Dec 22, 2020, 1:06 PM

it doesn't matter the decade, the system (polls, Bowl Coalition/Alliance, BCS, CFP) - you look & you see that certain teams in general or teams from certain conferences were generally the 1s that are the ones in contention @ season's end.

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Here's the "problem"


Dec 22, 2020, 1:11 PM

5 straight finals have featured two teams from the South...and this year will likely be the sixth

A lot of TVs getting turned off with the geographic concentration in such a small area. I don't buy it, but that is why it is suddenly an issue. TV is in charge now.

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Dec 22, 2020, 1:27 PM

Colin cowherd has talked about that. It’s because all of the talent is in the south. That talent used to go to places like Michigan, but now that everybody’s on TV because of ESPN they can stay home in the nice warm weather and be on TV.

It’s not the format or dominance that’s ruining college football, it’s money and television and perception. It’s greed and jealousy!

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Dec 22, 2020, 3:13 PM [ in reply to Here's the "problem" ]

folks would gouge out their grandmother's eyeballs with a rusty icepick to get a west coast team in the mix and capture that market. Ditto for the Great Lakes region, which is why Notre Dame and Big10 teams have historically been so over-ranked. Maybe not this year... OSU & ND are arguably deserving, but certainly not slam dunks over some other teams. But in a tight race, they'll get the nod.

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Dec 22, 2020, 4:48 PM [ in reply to Here's the "problem" ]

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5 straight finals have featured two teams from the South...and this year will likely be the sixth

A lot of TVs getting turned off with the geographic concentration in such a small area. I don't buy it, but that is why it is suddenly an issue. TV is in charge now.




This is i.m.o spot on. All the eyeballs in the rust belt and Northern states don't have any representation in the contest! Or very little since it bagan. The bucknuts won the 1st one - "great for them"!
But, it's been a Southern team since!

Heck, wait a minute, half of Ohio seems to be moving to South Carolina - they need to just leave it alone. Once they ditch those chicken dinners - they can adopt the winners!

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Re: Kinda funny that having a few dominant teams is suddenly a


Dec 22, 2020, 1:19 PM

You could see this coming a mile away. At first it was the constant whining about a top 2 championship game needing to be exposed to four teams to make sure no deserving team was left out of the championship equation. Now we've got four teams and the same people are whining about that not being enough and us needing to add four more teams for some reason. It certainly can't be to make sure the best team wins it all because there has literally never been a team ranked outside the top 4 anybody (other than it's fans) would consider the best team in the country. Honestly the problem is too many teams in the playoffs at this point, not too few. Everybody knows who the best two teams are yet we are going to force two clearly inferior teams into the playoff just to appease people who won't be happy until we have 16, or more, teams playing for the title every year, which is lunacy.

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Dec 22, 2020, 1:23 PM

It’s king of the mountain not participating members all get trophies

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its just magnified because they call it a playoff


Dec 22, 2020, 1:46 PM

but your point is well taken. BCS did seem to give different matchups for 1 vs 2. Only problem I had were the two or three years where a third team got left out. The playoff was supposed to "fix" that, and it did. People now want to expand to "fix" the 5th team getting left out. If you expand to 8 - they will want it to go to 16 teams to "fix" the 9th team getting left out.

I wouldn't mind 8, for some future year when 4 seems unobtainable. It wasn't that long ago I recall feeling like top 4 was a fantasy. Enjoy this teams accomplishments. They are very rare.

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Expand so that more teams can lose to Clemson and Alabama?


Dec 22, 2020, 1:47 PM

There has always been a clear separation between the top team or top two teams in the playoff from the rest of college football. The regular season games and the playoff results have always left no room for doubt as to who the champion was. That was the goal of the playoff and it has not failed yet. Arguing about who should’ve gotten in over (insert any team who lost in one of the playoff rounds here) is a moot point.

At the end of the day expansion adds extra games unnecessarily thus adding more to the student athlete’s rigorous schedule and creating more opportunity for needless injuries.

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Dec 22, 2020, 3:11 PM

It's not fair to the non-dominant teams. The NCAA should institute a handicap system. No handicap for the #1 ranked team. The #2 team gets a handicap of 2 points, and so on down the line to the #25 team which gets a 25 point handicap. So if the #1 team beats the #25 team by 24 points, then the #25 team wins. All 100+ teams would be ranked. We have to make it fair for USuC and the other teams.

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Re: Kinda funny that having a few dominant teams is suddenly a


Dec 22, 2020, 3:49 PM

I think it's hilarious we have people against expansion just because they believe dominant teams are gonna be dominant ??

Yo, I'd rather see Clemson play 3 teams we most likely WON'T be able to schedule on a regular basis because of how schedules work nowadays vs 10 familiar foes and 1-2 so-so non conference games.

"But teams will be mud-holed" - OKAY, so if you want to argue teams have peaked from time-to-time, what does it matter? If we know who's going to be there at the end of the year, why does it matter?

"The regular season counts! It'll be watered down!"

Regular season? Yeah, at least in the old system teams would fall for horrible losses. Now if you're SEC you might drop 1 spot.

"Players will be rested and we'll just accept an L against Carolina at the end of the year...."

OKAY, YEAH NOT GONNA HAPPEN ?? Seeding would still count and you could always shorten the season.

Spending is out of control for sports so if cutting a game closes programs, maybe they need to go take a Dave Ramsey course and figure out how to work their finances better.

No I don't think it's super simple but bah humbug some of the excuses against expansion are just as bad as Ohio State fans claiming Clemson is afraid and ranked them 11th just because Dabo is the Evil Empire ??

Anyway, change is coming and I welcome it ??????

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