Re: "If that is true, and I think it most likely is not true"

Why are measles, mumps, and rubella still around? Why are common colds still around? Why is Ebola still around? AIDS? Polio is still around?

Most viruses that you get and recover from, and have a lasting immunity, are viruses that WILL kill you, and you get very sick with them fighting them off. AND they don't have different strains. That's why, even with vaccines, the list of viruses we've truly eradicated is VERY small. Partly because you can't vaccinate everyone. Partly because there are multiple strains of the virus. Or many other factors. Like being a non-lethal virus to many people, with asymptomatic spread, like the common cold and the flu. Depending on the vaccine, and the virus, I doubt we eliminate covid, just because it is the way it is. I have no doubt we will hit it back hard in a year, and probably return to normal. But not everyone will get a vaccine. And it can just as easily mutate. That's all the Spanish flu was in 1918. And the swine flu in 2009. New mutations/flavors of an existing virus that's been around for thousands of years infection humans.

I see hypocrisy every day I've been alive, and that was long before covid. I also see denial and lying, also been around a long time as well. Yes, there's fear mongering, and then there's denial. All perfectly normal, yet different human responses to bad news. As such, you can go hide in a basement or pretend it's all fake and ignore it, and suffer the consequences of both bad choices. Of you can study it, understand it, respect it, and figure out a solution to both deal with it as best as possible, and keep the economy from collapsing.

Is it any shocker the wealthiest nation on Earth is suffering the most from the virus? We were the most "prepared" for a pandemic according to everyone. We're actually the least prepared. Turn on a TV or log into facebooktwitter and see why.

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Nov 23, 2020, 12:06 PM

Covid, like many viruses, likely depends as much or more on initial exposure levels, as it does on your preexisting conditions. As such, your "immunity" to it will vary based on your level of exposure, and disease. If you're in good health, and have a mild exposure to it, you may have no symptoms, or very minor ones. If you're older, in bad health, or younger and have a high level of exposure initially, you get a severe disease. Now mild cases, all cases, produce SOME antibodies. But antibody levels and t cell memory often depend on how traumatic the virus was to the body when infected. If you shrugged it off easily, you produced few and weak antibodies. And probably no t cell immunity, or little. In just a few months, your body has forgotten the virus, and you're open to reinfection. Get a severe case, and your body has to fight it hard, (hospitalization for example), and your body will develop a high level of antibodies and a strong T cell response. Your body will remember the trauma, and your immunity will last much longer.

The vaccine will hopefully create a response in your body similar to a severe infection, without the virus killing you. I'd expect the side effects to be much greater with this vaccine than the flu and others. Studies of the original SARS, MERS, and even influenza have shown antibody levels dependent on severity of infection.

At this point, I'd expect the only reinfections you would see are people never admitted to the hospital the first time. If you get sick enough to need o2 and recover, you're likely going to be immune for a long period of time. Years perhaps. With the vaccine, depending, it will likely be a yearly vaccine like the flu. Likewise, reinfections will always be worse, because since your body shrugged it off so easily the first time, it will likely underestimate it when infected again, letting it get a bigger head start, and you getting much sicker the second time around.

mRNA vaccines, like the new ones, are highly customizable, and are easier to alter as the virus changes. The mRNA vaccines are a completely new vaccine technology btw. I'd be very hesitant, but then again they can be game changers for so many other viruses. They have been experimenting with them for many years now, but never have gone this far with them. A traditional vaccine is grown as the virus is grown in a medium (eggs usually), then turned into the vaccine. The mRNA technology bypasses that growing process, and is a direct DNA recreation of the virus designed to create a specific immune response (in the case of covid, the spike protein where it attaches to ACE receptors), that can be genetically altered as needed, and leaves out the step of having to grow the virus in a medium to make the vaccine. We are attacking the virus where it attaches to the receptors for it in our bodies. If the virus mutates to attach a different way, we can alter the mRNA vaccine to counteract that change specifically, and quickly. In theory. It's completely customizable, and as such can actually destroy the virus, and many others once the technology improves.

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Question about the vaccines

"If that is true, and I think it most likely is not true"

Why are you in here looking for reasons to not take

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You see, you are asking questions that really out to be

Then why is the flu still around?

Re: Then why is the flu still around?

Do you write all of your responses like a Qanon poem?

Re: Do you write all of your responses like a Qanon poem?

Well, to be honest

Well

how do vaccines work?

Re: Question about the vaccines

Sorry, can't just take her word for it.

Lunch break, sorry

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Best guess......and only a guess......

I'm going to perfectly candid here.

I'm one of those who didn't take a fair volume in HS, Butt

I can definitely tell you one thing...

Re: I'm one of those who didn't take a fair volume in HS, Butt

Hear dat Tickle?

K, just a min...

Been there done that, but just like with claiming a big ####

obviously they don't know yet, time will tell

Re: obviously they don't know yet, time will tell

no, the flu virus changes too much and there are many many

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I have seen some stuff on re-infection, but not a lot

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