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Prediction: Trump will pardon himself on the way out the door.
Jan 3, 2021, 11:00 PM
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Probability = 1000%
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Re: Prediction: Trump will pardon himself on the way out the door.
Jan 3, 2021, 11:12 PM
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of what, is there like a preemptive pardon that covers all undisclosed crimes now and forever?
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Re: Prediction: Trump will pardon himself on the way out the door.
Jan 4, 2021, 11:31 AM
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see Gerald Ford.
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For what?
Jan 4, 2021, 5:47 AM
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I don't understand when people say this.
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Re: For what?
Jan 4, 2021, 6:09 AM
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same, would he not have to admit to a crime first, and when does trump ever admit any wrong doing.?
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No, he will give himself the Nixon pardon.
Jan 4, 2021, 6:56 AM
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It will be a blanket pardon for anything he might have done.
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That'd be pretty sweet to have in your back pocket.
Jan 4, 2021, 7:36 AM
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Would it apply to future crimes?
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No, only past conduct.***
Jan 4, 2021, 7:59 AM
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nice
Jan 4, 2021, 9:20 AM
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Re: For what?
Jan 4, 2021, 7:40 AM
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I am also waiting on this question to be answered.
Any charges could have already been filed. Not sure why anyone is “waiting” to charge Trump with a crime.
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Can't charge a sitting president.
Jan 4, 2021, 8:00 AM
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It's why Mueller didn't accuse him of obstruction.
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Re: For what?
Jan 4, 2021, 8:00 AM
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For the election interference and extortion he just committed in that phone call.
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Re: For what?
Jan 4, 2021, 11:00 AM
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Did he withhold money in exchange for firing someone? I mean that would be egregious.
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Re: For what?
Jan 4, 2021, 11:08 AM
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No, Trump withheld money so the Ukrainian government would falsely announce an investigation of Biden in order to help Trump win reelection.
Biden, meanwhile, threatened withholding money from Ukraine unless they combated fraud in the Ukraine.
There's a lot of difference there. For instance, one is illegal while the other is commendable.
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Re: For what?
Jan 4, 2021, 1:55 PM
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"combated fraud in the Ukraine." LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Do you even hear yourself typing?
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It will be interesting what kookiness he attempts in the
Jan 4, 2021, 11:33 AM
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next few weeks. I don't know if he can preemptively pardon himself or not though.
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The little caveat to pardoning himself...
Jan 4, 2021, 11:35 AM
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Means he would have to admit he did something that needed pardoning, and I'm not sure his ego will allow itl.
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Re: He can keep it vague.
Jan 4, 2021, 11:48 AM
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The language that's going to get him is the "be granted" part.
A pardon is the thing that is granted by the president to someone else. One cannot grant oneself something, and even this highly conservative Supreme Court we've got - especially one that's all about "textualism" and "originalism" is highly unlikely to interpret the Constitution so...liberally.
Trump can pardon his friends, his family, his cronies, his goldfish. But he probably can't self-pardon, and even if he tries, it's highly unlikely to stick. He'd have to resign and let Mike Pence do it...and since he has future presidential aspirations of his own, Pence seems highly unlikely to participate unless the Donald's got something on him. (Unlikely!) And Trump isn't going to resign a moment earlier than he has to anyway. He's going to declare himself president-in-exile until his dying day.
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Re: He can keep it vague.
Jan 4, 2021, 11:53 AM
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I was going to say that the only way he doesn't pardon himself is if he resigns and has Pence do it. But I don't see that happening.
The constitutionality of a self-pardon has never been tested and has no clear answer, from what little I've read on the subject.
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I still envision both scenarios playing out, where Trump
Jan 4, 2021, 1:11 PM
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does in fact pardon himself along with his family, then resigns, whereby Pence simply re-affirms the pardon, rather than initiate it. This offers Pence political cover for such a move, while helping accomplish the ultimate goal which is a DJT clear of federal crimes up to that point.
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Re: Prediction: Trump will pardon himself on the way out the door.
Jan 4, 2021, 11:50 AM
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He can try, but with SCOTUS now having a majority of 'originalists' they would unanimously rule it invalid. Further, according to an earlier SCOTUS ruling, the acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt.
Further in another past SCOTUS ruling on a similar matter the court ruled that "no man can be his own judge and jury".
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Re: Prediction: Trump will pardon himself on the way out the door.
Jan 4, 2021, 11:53 AM
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Hah! Beat you to it, Felix.
See post above. And weep.
I will accept your TU as sufficient tribute.
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