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Final Thought On Clemson Basketball ----
Mar 17, 2016, 10:49 AM
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Find A Formula. ..In Clemson Football...we were decently established. As the years went on and since Dabo Swinney took over..he ended up reinventing Clemson again. Reviving the football program and giving the Tigers a true bite to be respected on the national stage.
Brownell needs to take whatever Swinney uses to jump start and sustain a program and apply it to his basketball program. I know the two sports are different but the same similar formulas are being used to create success in other programs.
Take Baylor for instance. I remember when they were the bottom feeders in basketball and in football nearly at the same time every year. Something got poured into both programs as well as their athletic department over the last 10 years.. because now they are a decent respected force in both football and basketball.
Got to get some ideas and tools from Dabo and other areas to put better product on the court. Need to establish a formula that gives Clemson Basketball a better foundation of who we are and where we trying to go. Clemson needs to push it more in basketball then I think we will get to see what we want to see in Clemson's basketball program.
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Re: Final Thought On Clemson Basketball ----***
Mar 17, 2016, 10:52 AM
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It ain't rocket science, and it can work for basketball just
Mar 17, 2016, 11:29 AM
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like it worked for football.
More good football players started coming to Clemson because of a few simple reasons. They liked the coach, and they believed they could win big here.
They liked Dabo, and he was able to sell what Clemson had to offer. He was a guy they wanted to play for. He made them believe.
First, they believed because Clemson football was a big deal; they drew big crowds and had great support.
Second, they believed because they saw the money that was being poured into the program. They saw the shiny new facilities and realized Clemson was competing with the very best.
The same recipe can be repeated for basketball, with a little more difficulty. Do we have a coach who recruits really like, who they want to play for, and who can sell Clemson as a winner? The jury is still out. Clemson can certainly get that kind of coach - without question.
Is basketball a big deal, and do we have the same kind of great fan support? Honestly, no. There have been times we didn't have it so much for football either though. When Hatfield was coach, and recruiting nose-dived and we started losing games we should have won, attendance fell off dramatically. It took the right coach in Tommy Bowden to breathe a little life and enthusiasm back into the program. He had name recognition and could talk a good game, and it got the attention of recruits. Once we started to win, just a little, and improvement was obvious, attendance picked right back up. A fresh start and new direction for the basketball program, coupled with a few key wins, and we'd be on the way. Fan support has been tremendous for Clemson basketball in the past (though it's been a while), and it can be again. It can be a big deal. If we want to compete at a higher level, better facilities are a must, and recruits must see that. That must know we are serious about basketball when they visit. That may be corrected with the "new" Littlejohn, we'll see.
That's it. It can be done.
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I don't think the jury is still out on Brownell....
Mar 17, 2016, 11:40 AM
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if the barometer for comparison purposes is Dabo.
When it comes to having a coach who the recruits really like, who they want to play for, and who can sell Clemson as a winner, Coach Borwnell can't hold a candle to Dabo and it's really not even close.
In fairness though, very few coaches can.
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Re: I don't think the jury is still out on Brownell....if a
Mar 17, 2016, 11:57 AM
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kid wants to play in exciting games after squandering a big lead CU is the place
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Personally, I've lost confidence in Brownell's
Mar 17, 2016, 12:59 PM
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ability to get it done as well; I think he's had plenty of time to show some improvement. The reason I say "the jury's still out" is because he could possibly turn it around next year. I'm not holding my breath, and I'm not really hopeful, but he could. Also, in fairness to Brownell and being compared to Dabo, the basketball program has not had nearly the support from the university or the fans that Dabo and the football program have. Brownell has to own some of the fan support problem, but it wasn't the same to start with.
I'm not defending Brownell per se, his record is what it is, and I'd be happy to move in another direction. I'm just pointing out that his challenge has been a more difficult in some ways than Dabo's.
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While I don't entirely disagree....
Mar 17, 2016, 1:16 PM
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with your assessment, I think it can be reasonably argued that Brownell inherited a program that made three straight NCAA Tournament appearances (four if you count Brownell's first year with OP's players), yet the program has progressively degenerated since.
Firing a coach is a drastic step. You're basically conceding the next three or four years as a rebuilding effort. However, I just think after six years we've seen enough from Brad Brownell to know that he is not the coach who is going to lead the Clemson basketball program in the direction we all want it to go.
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Oh, I don't disagree with that at all.
Mar 17, 2016, 1:26 PM
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Regardless of the role facilities and support played, it was ultimately Brownell's baby, and he just hasn't gotten it done.
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Our home attendance was 9,465 per game in 2010. LJ holds
Mar 17, 2016, 1:23 PM
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how much - 10,500 or so? That's #### good fan support! Not quite football level, but #### good.
Unfortunately, we are down to about 7,400 per game this year.
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It's going to get worse next year even with the new arena...
Mar 17, 2016, 1:30 PM
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unless JB returns.
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Re: It ain't rocket science, and it can work for basketball just
Mar 17, 2016, 11:41 AM
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Bowden breathed life into the program only to let the air out of our balloon by continually underachieving. He is much like CBB in that regard and I like CBB
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The difference is that TB took over a program that
Mar 17, 2016, 1:21 PM
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had been in an almost decade-long funk and brought it up a notch before plateauing. BB took over a program that was on a roll and at a peak as far as Clemson basketball is concerned.
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a new building with a stinker of a product on the court
Mar 17, 2016, 12:22 PM
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may get them there once out of curiosity but they won't come back again and again. It's hard to believe that after six years we're still here....smh
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