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All-In [44005]
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People aren't voting for Trump, they are voting against the Republican establishment.
Mar 7, 2016, 1:27 PM
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These repeated attacks on him, how horrible you think he is, and how unqualified you think he is do not matter to those who are voting for Trump. You see, it is not about his background, or even his political ideas, as much as the fact that he is an outspoken critic of what the political system has done to our country over the past 15-20 years.
People are fed up. Republicans brought this on themselves with failed promises and lame performances when it has mattered most. Sadly, the only options have been to re-elect the same liars or elect new ones who appear to be more of the same.
OR, people can vote for Trump and send a message. Trump is a vehicle to deliver that message. Many people feel that there is no other recourse than electing someone like him, because the Republican Party won't listen otherwise.
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Re: People aren't voting for Trump, they are voting against the Republican establishment.
Mar 7, 2016, 1:35 PM
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Terrible reason to vote for him. He'll be controlled by Republicans in congress.
He's not a conservative and will lead this country down a dark path.
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Ultimately he's going to move to the middle in
Mar 7, 2016, 1:37 PM
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the general election. Dude thinks he's a lawyer, and knows he's the best deal maker in the country. This is what those people do. This is why I'm voting for Gary Johnson. He'll stand by his core beliefs no matter what. THAT's the kind of change we need.
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All-TigerNet [12505]
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There's a 3rd party on the ballot in all 50 states
Mar 7, 2016, 1:43 PM
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Just saying. You don't have to vote for the most corrupt politician of all time, or the guy who says ridiculous things and was for partial birth abortion and single payer health care.
https://www.garyjohnson2016.com/
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All-In [44005]
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I like Gary Johnson a lot. Unfortunately, he has no chance of winning.
Mar 7, 2016, 2:41 PM
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If he can start a revolution that gets him the media attention and votes Trump is getting, that would be great. I won't hold my breath.
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If he can get up to 10% and get into a debate
Mar 7, 2016, 3:05 PM
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He'll have a shot.
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Some have termed it "revenge politics" . . .
Mar 7, 2016, 1:36 PM
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not that there's anything wrong with it.
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That was nice of you to alert the moderators.
Mar 7, 2016, 2:47 PM
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I'm sure they are happy to move it to the appropriate area of the site.
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All-In [37023]
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I don't think he
Mar 7, 2016, 2:52 PM
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alerted the mods, he simply showed you there was a place for this which is not the Tiger Boards.
YWIA
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I fully understood the fact that you were telling me.
Mar 7, 2016, 2:58 PM
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Not sure why you felt it necessary to do so. It's not like I posted it on the Tiger Football board.
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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That still doesn't feel like a "thank you"***
Mar 7, 2016, 3:03 PM
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Commissioner [905]
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Pretty close there
Mar 7, 2016, 1:45 PM
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I think you are pretty close there. We the people who work are fed up with the dems and RINOs continuing take from us and give to those who will not work or who game the system. Nothing against charity and programs for those who cannot help themselves. But the combination of all those programs and the loss of manufacturing jobs (that giant sucking sound that Ross Perot talked about) have put a huge hit on the middle and lower classes and we have generations now who love and depend on the government handouts. We are close to the point we cannot turn that around. It went south even more when Bush 41 started his kindler and gentler approach. We lost the momentum we had for real change then and 8 years of the Clintons and 8 years of the last one have made it markedly worse. W did not do much to slow it down either, as he was preoccupied with foreign affairs. And they all (well almost all) deathly fear the liberal news media who jump on and manipulate anything critical of social programs. Meanwhile our national debt is astounding and getting worse, our social institutions are in decay and it is amazing that people cannot correlate the actions of government in trying to help but making all things worse. I sincerely hope we can somehow get the attention of the powers that be and get the locomotive slowed and turned around. If and when we do, there is going to be full scale social war and weeping and wailing from all who lose the "freebies." It will not be pretty but will have to happen and we conservative types will be called all sorts of bad names. My feeling is it is unlikely we can turn this thing fully, and we will continue down the slippery slope, but I hope I am wrong.
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Can only speak for myself. I will not vote for trump. If he is elected I will pick up a Koran
Mar 7, 2016, 1:48 PM
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And see what kinda hassle is involved converting to Islam.
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Inshallah***
Mar 7, 2016, 1:53 PM
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God willing. ... look at me. ..im already learning.***
Mar 7, 2016, 2:19 PM
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Try and find out if that stuff about the virgins is true
Mar 7, 2016, 2:22 PM
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Maybe I'll join you.
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kinda like punching your mailman cause you hate junk mail?***
Mar 7, 2016, 2:00 PM
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Illegal immigration is top priority
Mar 7, 2016, 2:03 PM
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Illegal immigration is the top priority to me. We are very close to losing our country. I believe that Trump is serious about closing the border. I would vote for him for that one reason. As he says, if you don't have a border, you don't have a country. Our borders have not been protected for decades, and both parties are complicit in allowing it to happen. You can see what is going on in Europe. That is what we have to look forward to unless something is done, and done soon.
Second priority to me is foreign policy. I am hopeful Trump will just say no to people like McCain and Graham, who see a terrorist behind every bush. The US has pretty much been in a state of war since the Korean War. The reason is not to protect Americans or to promote Democracy, but to line the pockets of those who profit from war.
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Do you really believe he'll seal the border off?
Mar 7, 2016, 2:07 PM
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He's used to being able to negotiate great deals in the private sector and get things built. I don't think he has any clue on how incompetent and stupid the government sector is. I don't think he realizes the red tape to build a wall. He'll have to bid out work, but only companies owned by minorities will be allowed to bid. Then they'll have to have their staff trained for this special project. Then there'll have to be bureaucratic oversight. By the time that many people touch the project and get all their favors, it'll cost twice as much as it should, take 3 times as long, and be 4 times less sturdy. We'd be better off having someone cut our taxes a ton and raising the money and building it ourselves.
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Re: Do you really believe he'll seal the border off?
Mar 7, 2016, 2:22 PM
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You don't sound psycho to me. I totally understand your point and agree with you. Plus, the EPA will probably try to block him every step of the way. I don't really care if it is a wall or what, but we somehow have to stop people from crossing the border at will.Maybe Trump will make Mexico build it on their side and avoid all the red tape. Ha ha.
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I wish him luck
Mar 7, 2016, 2:33 PM
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But he's gonna need more than luck to get things done in this government we've created.
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I absolutely agree.
Mar 7, 2016, 2:54 PM
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Many people have the wool pulled over their eyes and don't realize how controlled politicians are by special interest groups and huge companies who donate to their campaigns and expect things in return.
War is a huge money maker. It's not done just to "keep us safe" and "protect the world." Likewise, illegal immigration is not allowed just because we have compassion for those who want a better life, but because they are cheap labor and ultimately a potential source of political votes in the future (when we get them on government social programs, of course).
The nice thing about Trump is that he is not owned by anyone. He owes no favors.
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Trump is winging it. He has no intellectual curiosity to
Mar 7, 2016, 3:29 PM
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educate himself on the issues. His knowledge of the issues that a president will face is, at best, superficial, if at all.
That seems obvious. Surprised smart people who graduated from Clemson can't see that.
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Re: Trump is winging it. He has no intellectual curiosity to
Mar 7, 2016, 8:32 PM
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President have advisers. You think Trump will not weigh out what his say against his own experience and inftincts?
Trump has real world experience in business which should help with the economy and understands quid pro quo which is how things get done in Congress.
If he gets elected he'll tone the crazy stuff down and move to the middle.
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That's fine
Mar 7, 2016, 2:05 PM
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but if he gets elected he's gonna get us nuked.
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Re: People aren't voting for Trump, they are voting against the Republican establishment.
Mar 7, 2016, 2:11 PM
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Voting for Trump is like shining a personal spotlight on one's abundance of ignorance & lack of intelligence. I'm ashamed, as anyone should be, that his name is even a part of the presidential conversation. He's an embarrassment to us all.
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Clinton, Bush, and Obama were all embarrassments.
Mar 7, 2016, 2:50 PM
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Trump wouldn't be the first.
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Re: Clinton, Bush, and Obama were all embarrassments.
Mar 7, 2016, 3:26 PM
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I'm sorry but you cannot even place Trump in the same category as the 3 you've mentioned, regardless how you feel about them.
If anyone disagrees, name what Trump has accomplished above and beyond real estate, golf courses, casinos and winning an Emmy for a ridiculous reality television show. I promise you, it's a very short list.
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Here is your list of Trump's accomplishments
Mar 7, 2016, 4:36 PM
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You are right that Trump is not in their category, and here is what he hasn't accomplished:
1. Trump has not had an affair with an intern in the oval office and lied about it under oath.
2. Trump has not started a war with Iraq after terrorists from Saudi Arabia crashed into the World Trade Center.
3. Trump has not campaigned as being fiscally responsible and then gone on a spending spree like none seen in history.
4. Trump has not gotten elected on a peace platform and then continued and escalated his predecessor's war policies.
5. Trump has not opened the Southern border to allow millions of illegals to cross over to commit crimes and put a burden on our social systems.
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Re: Here is your list of Trump's accomplishments
Mar 7, 2016, 5:04 PM
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Though I'm not advocating for any of the 3, the fact that you could only come up with 5 major disgruntlements between all of them says enough in and of itself.
Donald Trump, for all his successes, has failed at twice as much. The problem is, the presidency of the USA doesn't come with a reset button. Do you know what the difference is between Enron, Chrysler, General Motors, & American Airlines? Trump has filed for bankruptcy 3x more than all of them.
His biggest successes? Rehabbing an old Wall Street building, partnering with Hyatt on the Comodore Hotel, and an Emmy for a terrible reality television show.
He's flip-flopped on nearly every issue he's every voiced an opinion on. He's changed political views like
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Re: Here is your list of Trump's accomplishments
Mar 7, 2016, 5:16 PM
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... the weather. (Sorry, always hit the #### post button by accident).
One could probably list at least 3 travesties attached to most every president of person who's dedicated their life to political office. But Bush, Clinton & Obama's accomplishments far exceed their shortcomings. Donald Trump? The opposite is true. Add to that his bigotry, misogyny, racist views, temperament, immaturity, ignorance, ego, cluelessness on all things worldly & presidential and you are left with the fact that he is actually a cancer, not a savior. He has no new ideas, no platform to stand on, no experience in public office, no filter, no patience or compromise... He would literally be the WORST person to ever be granted such favor and distinction. He woukd abandon his party's values quicker than the likes of Tyler and would make Bush look like a prophet.
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Re: Here is your list of Trump's accomplishments
Mar 7, 2016, 6:26 PM
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Yes but I see all of the same bigotry, carelessness and everything else you mentioned all over Washington only without the blatant honesty about being so. These guys say one thing and do another and Trump probably will too. American politics is a sewer and I woukd swear this was the beginning of the end of our empire if I didn't know for a fact that that happened in Iraq!
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Re: Clinton, Bush, and Obama were all embarrassments.
Mar 7, 2016, 8:46 PM
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Donald Trump has achieved much more in life than the other three outside of politics. Bill Clinton was somewhat self made. W got in through his daddy's connections. And Obama was a Manchurian Candidate manufactured by the left , before conception, starting with his grandparents and parents.
Trump is the only one out of the bunch I would expect to succeed at any endeavor if left to his own devices and creativity.
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Re: Clinton, Bush, and Obama were all embarrassments.
Mar 7, 2016, 9:02 PM
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Lil Wayne has amassed quite the war chest with a lot less than a million dollar loan from his father also... Doesn't make him worthy of presidency.
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Establishment Republicans have been unresponsive to
Mar 7, 2016, 2:22 PM
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the majority of the Republican base and the middle and lower classes in general, but electing Tea Party anarchists has made the government even less responsive to the needs of the people.
It seems that this election is going to make things even worse for the Republican Party. But, perhaps a slow death is required for the Republican Party to be remade in a form that is more in touch with the needs of the majority of people.
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Re: People aren't voting for Trump, they are voting against the Republican establishment.
Mar 7, 2016, 2:28 PM
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What have you gotten thus far with a Republican controlled House and Senate - virtually nothing! Between lobbyists, attempts at pork-barreling, and issued-controlled Republicans in office, the system has become severely flawed. Enact legislation which will make for taking on single issues only without pork-barreling allowed and require the other house to take action if the House or Senate passes any legislation. This will aid in moving action along. Move to requiring a balanced budget plan each and every year. Electing an establishment President will NOT get our government rolling again! Only Trump will bring the kind of impetus THE PEOPLE have been requesting over the past two elections to change things in Washington and bring us back to sound effective government. Let's get on with it!!!!
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Anyone advocating for a balanced budget amendment
Mar 7, 2016, 2:35 PM
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knows absolutely nothing about economics and has learned absolutely nothing about the Great Depression or the Great Recession.
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Agreed - Repubs can thank
Mar 7, 2016, 2:37 PM
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McConnell, Boehner, and their RINO minions for the current state of presidential election affairs. I'm really beginning to wonder if the republicans actually WANT to win the presidency, or if their real goal, maintaining their offices in the house and the senate, is better served with a lib dem in the White House. From a ideology/policy standpoint there aren't two hoots in a holler's difference between the RINO establishment types (Lindsey Graham, Paul Ryan, etc.) and their dem counterparts anyway. The Kabuki theatre of dem vs. repub is growing more ridiculous every year. From what I can see there are virtually no actual conservatives in Washington. The ones who say they are, lie.
This whole thing with the Donald running for president could be the biggest kabuki theatre of all... to make an otherwise ridiculous dem candidate seem like the only palatable option to the low information clueless American dolt voter (which is evidently about 45% of the populace now).
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Weird, I been told the Bern has been put on hold by the Hillsters
Mar 7, 2016, 2:42 PM
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and the GOP can't keep this Trump clown down.
Can't be!
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Basically a crook....will not pay his bills!*********
Mar 7, 2016, 4:14 PM
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Can we call Trump Supporters the "Nose Amputators"?***
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Re: People aren't voting for Trump, they are voting against the Republican establishment.
Mar 7, 2016, 5:14 PM
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he is the final nail in the GOP coffin. What are the Republicans going to do after he loses to Clinton?
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Re: Exactly. We Republicans elect conservatives and they
Mar 7, 2016, 7:40 PM
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throw you under the bus. Let them suffer.
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Re: People aren't voting for Trump, they are voting against the Republican establishment.
Mar 7, 2016, 8:37 PM
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There is some truth in your statement I am fed up! However I would not vote for just any one. Trump is getting my vote because I believe He will do what he says and secure the border and I think He will bring jobs back to the USA. He can't do any worse on moral issues than what we have had the last 40 to 50 years! But make no mistake I am not voting against the rest I am voting for Trump!
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