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Clemson and the Election
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Clemson and the Election


Nov 5, 2020, 2:39 PM

The Libertarian candidate for President, Jo Jorgensen, is a Psychology Professor at Clemson. Looks like she will end up with about 1.1% of the overall vote. That isn’t enough to win anything but is enough to take votes away from the other candidates causing them to lose.

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Re: Clemson and the Election


Nov 5, 2020, 2:43 PM

Booo....that is what the other parties want you to think.

I vote with individual freedom and liberty in mind and if that makes be a libertarian so be it... granted but I hate the "labels" as I am not the western/rancher libertarian, more of the classical type.

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Re: Clemson and the Election


Nov 5, 2020, 3:00 PM

How will 1/2 the country vote? Is there an "L" button, because half the country only knows how to push the D button.

Go Tigers Dunk the dames!

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Re: Clemson and the Election


Nov 5, 2020, 3:31 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson and the Election ]

90 percent of the people who voted for her would have voted for the most conservative candidate if she were not on the ballot. That's a game changer. As a classic libertarian you can be terrified when a full blown anti-liberty socialist VP takes over your country in a few months. (and you should be) Dumb choice.

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Re: Clemson and the Election


Nov 5, 2020, 3:23 PM

I've seen what the definition of libertarian is, but can someone fill me in on what it means in the way of a political candidate? What kind of platform do they stand on? Is there a party out there that stands on the platform of honor, integrity, decency, belief that if you want something; that you have to work for it, and your work will be rewarded, and government based on just plain old common sense?

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The Libertarian Party is the largest third party


Nov 5, 2020, 3:38 PM

but it's still fledgling. The premise of the LP's platform is personal freedom, which means less government involvement. This translates into lower taxes, cutting government programs, religious freedom, and personal freedom.

The Libertarian Party is poorly run. They have made legalizing drugs a major part of their platform, which I find to be a bad move. For that reason, they have been portrayed as a party of hippie pot smokers. That's not entirely fair, but perception is reality.

The LP sometimes struggles for ballot access, but this year Jorgensen was on ballots in all 50 states. It will take a significant change in how elections are done and political parties are financed for a third party to emerge, but the Libertarian Party is poised to be that party when/if that happens.

It will never be considered a legitimate party until it gets better leadership. It also needs a more defined platform (e.g., making a firm decision on pro life versus pro choice, as the party is very divided on this issue) and better candidates. Many of the LP's choices for candidates are not very likable or inspiring people.

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Re: The Libertarian Party is the largest third party


Nov 5, 2020, 3:54 PM

Uggg, thanks for that. I agree.

We are too fragmented and if there was a "unifying" voice to emerge, half of us will leave. Just our nature. Bow-ties, cowboys and hippies might be a good image to portray.

The other thing is that if a libertarian "concept" becomes popular (like aropund 2010) then the dems or republicans just squeeze it from us. A lot of folks assume that since I am Lib, then I must support Rand Paul since he is a libertarian in that book. He is a republican that share some libertarian principles and I agree with a lot of items, but he is still a republican. Liekwise, you can actually find other Dems (not as common) that also hold similar principles but remain in their own platform as well.

Most libs don't even like their own candidates.




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Re: The Libertarian Party is the largest third party


Nov 5, 2020, 4:00 PM [ in reply to The Libertarian Party is the largest third party ]

Thanks Judge. I feel a little more educated now. I had heard different things about them, and I was really wondering if maybe I might lean their way. Not so much now.

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Re: The Libertarian Party is the largest third party


Nov 5, 2020, 4:14 PM

Awe shucks....well, it requires an unusual taste

At this point in time, feel free to call yourself a libertarian anytime you want. When in mixed company of either party, all sides will generally leave you alone once you tell them you are a (true) lib. Rep. will think you are anti-tax and normally leave you alone (although they will kinda claim their are kinda like a lib too - like Rachel Dolezal) and democrats will think you are fine since they would assume you would have been voting Rep otherwise (see the OP's assumptions). Socialist just go ugg and walk away.

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Re: The Libertarian Party is the largest third party


Nov 5, 2020, 4:54 PM

Yep...unusual taste. My son and his fiance lean that way, or alt least in conversations with them about politics, I get that impression.

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Re: Clemson and the Election


Nov 5, 2020, 3:46 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson and the Election ]

Well, first we can be a lot more divided as compared to other like democrats or republican.

Generally, we assert that individual "liberty" takes precedence over other needs. Sometimes that can be quite exclusionary or explicit, other times it can be a bigger guiding principle towards policy development. Most, not all take a stricter constitutional reading than most. As a result, we tend that government shall not intrude on the activities of the individual citizen. As a result, many libertarians are strongly against governmental involvement on both the economic as well as social spectrum.

Ok, back to the candidate.... well we tend to be kinda goofy. Again, we are not as uniform other parties and thus I can actually have bigger differences from a candidate than from a Dem/Rep. For example, a lot of the western libs have a strong anti-federal land ownership view, however, I have no ideological issue with the government owning land for whatever reason. I have a bigger issue of the feds acting as a landlord and leasing lands. Thus a libertarian candidate can vary widely from region to region and from election cycle. Thus, you will see me align with a libertarian that is more focused on social/individual liberty and to a lesser extent economic, but I am not a complete laizze-faire as I believe in governmental involvement in a restricted interpretation of the "police power".

As for "honor, integrity, decency, and work-ethic" comment - I think all parties WANT these things... the difference is how to implement these practically.


Remember, common sense is not common.

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Re: Clemson and the Election


Nov 5, 2020, 4:51 PM

Thanks Doc. I appreciate your answer. Yeah, I think all parties want the honorable things in life, but I feel like there are too many politicians that will resort to some pretty unscrupulous means of getting what they want. I think a lot of them are so driven by their egos, and their want for power, that they will do or say anything to get what they want. I believe promises have been made, that there are no intentions of being kept, or that aren't going to come without a price being paid by someone, perhaps all of us. That's not just one party but all of them. And I believe that common sense isn't all that uncommon. I believe in a lot of instances, the common sense decision might not be the one that benefits some people the most, therefore they do things that make you scratch your head and wonder.

As you may have surmised by now, I'm what some people refer to as an angry, old, white conservative, male. That's not entirely true. I'm not mad with anyone. I don't hate anyone. The constitution gives you the right to vote and support whoever you like, the same as it does me, and I respect that. I try to live by the Words taught in the Bible; Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul, and mind, and your fellow man as the same. I try to do this without regard to race, creed, color, or even sexual orientation. I don't dislike the liberals, the dems, reps, or any other party. I do however, fear the progressives and socialists. I think eventually, they are going to be in power. Maybe, if they do gain control, they'll turn things around, but from what I've seen and read, if they gain control, we are in for a rough road. I'm not sure how I got on all of this, just some things that have been on my mind, lately.

Anyway, thanks again.

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Re: Clemson and the Election


Nov 5, 2020, 4:20 PM

I voted for Jo. Was hoping she’d get to 5%.

Without a viable 3rd party, we are stuck with the 2 dysfunctional wings of the same bird. It WILL be our downfall.

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Re: Clemson and the Election


Nov 5, 2020, 5:02 PM

The Lib's best chance was in 2016, they get ~3.5%

In hindsight Bill Weld should have been the President on the ticket, and Gary the VP. The Aleppo moment with Gary, was bad.

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Trotting Johnson out repeatedly was a mistake


Nov 5, 2020, 5:31 PM

Weld would have done better, and leave Gary off all together. Get a smart tech minded problem solver (like Yang many... lure him to the Libertarian Party)... and see if that shifts the attention from the drug thing. And since pot will be legal in every state soon, the Libertarians can shut up about it

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Re: Clemson and the Election


Nov 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

My understanding is Libertarians believe not only in individual freedom, but also individual responsibility. I agree with a lot of the Libertarian outlook on the role of government, but I'm not a member of the Libertarian Party. However, I would consider voting for a viable Libertarian candidate.

WV was always a Democratic Party stronghold. In the last 50 years we have had 3 Republican Gov. (they can only serve a total of 2 terms) and virtually no other Republicans holding state wide office, or even local office.. Starting with Clintons 2nd term, more and more Republicans have been getting elected. This election, all state wide offices were won by republicans, most by 65-70 percentage points.

West Virginians didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Party left West Virginians.

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Re: Clemson and the Election


Nov 5, 2020, 10:07 PM

Interestingly in Nevada you could vote for “none of these candidates”. It received 11,000+ votes.

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