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Anti-Clemson Bias
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Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 11:07 AM

So everyone is all over Clemson for their "poor strength of schedule"… yet, they then say that there is no bias against Clemson. Let's see if we can find any bias by comparing them to Oklahoma (a team that we have not heard anything about their strength of schedule).

Oklahoma:
12-1. Points for 562, points against 319. Average points per game: 43.2 - 24.5 (difference of 18.7 per game). Beat 5 teams that finished with 6 or more wins. Allowed 16 or higher points 10 times. Allowed 30 or higher points 4 times. Two of their "big" wins were against a very overrated Baylor, who only beat 4 teams that finished with a winning record. Had 7 games decided by 8 points or less, including a one point win at home against a team that finished 7-5, and a loss away by 7 points to a team that finished 8-4.

Clemson:
13-0. Points for 605, points against 138. Average points per game: 46.5 - 10.6 (difference of 35.9 per game). Beat 9 teams that finished with 6 or more wins. Allowed 16 or higher points 2 times. Allowed 21 or higher points 0 times. Had one game decided by 8 points or less, an away game to a team finishing 6-6.

To flow with the current holiday season; yes, Virginia, there is a bias against Clemson!

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 11:15 AM

No one is saying that OU's schedule is murderer's row. But imho still better than Clemson's.

I think Clemson is the best team in the country and I also think that the ACC is a dumpster fire after you get past Clemson. I figure the ACC has only two bowl wins coming - Clemson in the Fiesta and wherever Louisville is playing.

As far as OU being dominant, I have heard no pundit say anything like that. Seems that the narrative is that tOSU and CU are the most complete and dominant teams - which I would agree.

OU is only in the playoff because Oregon pooped on themselves at ASU.

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 12:00 PM

Agree with you about no one saying Oklahoma has great schedule...but no one is saying they had an easy schedule either...which is the point of my post....Look at the two schedules, and OK had a much less impressive schedule, yet only Clemson is getting put down for theirs...thus bias.

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 1:27 PM

Lol. How was their schedule much less impressive? They beat Baylor, a top 10 team twice. We never even played anyone in the top 10. They also beat Iowa st and Okla st, who are both ranked. We have ONE ranked win on the year, Virginia.

To say their schedule is much less impressive than Clemsons is the definition of “bias”, something you’re saying others are doing to Clemson. It’s just totally false.

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 1:54 PM

Baylor didn't beat a ranked team all year. So doesn't by default like they say about us they're not that good? The only ranked team Baylor play was OU and they lost 2x, the only ranked team OU played was Baylor and they beat a backup QB twice. You following? Is Baylor good or is OU not as good as we think? OU had 6-7 1 score games we had 1.

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 1:55 PM [ in reply to Re: Anti-Clemson Bias ]

How can you not see the hypocrisy? How did OU do against their schedule? As I said, Baylor beat 4 teams with 6 wins or better! They were very overrated, and OU struggled to beat them, so that negates that argument. The next best team that they beat was Ok St. They had two teams that they beat with winning records, and both of them were close calls. The next best team they beat was Iowa St, which had one win against a winning record team. Virginia had 5 wins against winning record teams, and all of their losses were to bowl teams. Even Louisville had 5 wins against 6+ win teams, and all of their losses were to bowl teams.

OU had 7 games within 8 points, and one of them was a loss and another to a losing team AT HOME. They dominated 4 power 5 teams, Clemson dominated 10 power 5 programs. There is no way you can say that OK had a better record with their schedule.

Those are facts, not bias!

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 12:31 PM [ in reply to Re: Anti-Clemson Bias ]

Do you think Ohio State's schedule was murderers row?

FAU, Indiana, Miami(OH),Penn St, Rutgers, Michigan, Maryland, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Nebraska, Cincinnati, Michigan St.

And by tough I am not asking who was ranked or not. Because politics can have you ranked. I mean - as you see the teams they played foot speed and athleticism are you saying - good grief how did they ever navigate that schedule or team!
I don't.

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 1:47 PM

I agree, Clemson had that one game on the road that we didn't play very good FB. I think that all teams have games like that during a 12 game season. But when looking at how we played after that one game against UNC on the road against a seasoned coach early in the season where they practiced more for our game than they did any other bc knocking Clemson off would have been big for Mack Brown and UNC that would have most likely propelled their team over the course of the season better than it played out. We played lights out for the rest of the season running over everybody we played from that one game on. But the know it alls has held that one game over our heads like it happen in the last game or every game we played. What they are doing with an early season close game, is acting as if that is who we are while knowing how wrong it is for them to do that, but they don't care bc it fits their agenda of putting Clemson down regardless of how bias they have to be!!!!

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 6:51 PM

Agree - allorange ... Historically Clemson under Dabo has gotten stronger as the season went on !! -<img border=">

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 2:31 PM [ in reply to Re: Anti-Clemson Bias ]

Thought we were talking about OU. But if you want to talk schedules....

Indiana (yes, Indiana), PSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, Cincinnati are all better than Virginia whom I think most look at as the #2 in the ACC. I'm not calling tOSU battle tested. I think if they had Clemson's schedule or vice versa - both would be equally undefeated and equally as dominant.

FAU and Miami(OH) while G5 are a step up from SCAR and Wofford - and would have a .500 record at worst in the ACC. Nebraska and Michigan State would be teams that would be .500 or near it by one game in the ACC.

Northwestern, Rutgers, and Maryland ....are indeed inferior to anything the ACC has to offer. If the the ACC were a 17 team league...they would be 15, 16, and 17 in no particular order. So tOSU's cr@piest conference opponents are definitely worse than anything Clemson faced.

Clemson is in the playoff and I expect a two touchdown win over tOSU and then for Clemson to do the same against LSU or Oklahoma. I expect this, so I don't get all snowflakey or my feelings hurt when on air talent says something that may slight my team's accomplishments.

Living in the Midwest, I've had plenty a tOSU apologist tell me how Buckeyes are battle tested and that will be the difference. I just tell them that it will be a good game. Inside, I am looking very forward to seeing these folks come Dec 29 because they will be hurting Buckaroo's and because their dried salty tears will taste delicious.

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 12:48 PM [ in reply to Re: Anti-Clemson Bias ]

Did OU get the 3d degree by having a 1 point win at Home, like Clemson got with a One point win on the road. One point is One point regardless of who you played bc, plus One point is a win regardless of how anybody wants to see it BUT, but Clemson was browbeat, and ridiculed for having an early season One point win on the road, did OU receive the same type of bashing bc of a One point win at home. Plus OU had several close games with an OT win... Oh well, I guess we're just bad for making it to playoffs to often as an ACC team. And bc we are an ACC team, ESECPN have been angered bc the playoffs, and Natty's was actually made for the SEC!!!

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 12:59 PM

Oklahoma was ranked around 8th when they had their 1 point win and already lost a game. They still dropped 1 or 2 spots in the rankings following the 1 point win. Of course though an unbeaten team early in the season that’s ranked #1 and being compared to other unbeaten teams is going to get more attention for an ugly win than a team ranked near the bottom of the top 10 that’s being compared to other flawed teams that have 1 or 2 losses. I don’t get why that doesn’t make sense to so many people.

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 1:52 PM

It don't make sense, it only adds fuel to their agenda of making it appear that Clemson isn't in their opinion playoff worthy!!!

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Where YOU are wrong is saying the ACC is a dumpster fire!


Dec 21, 2019, 5:08 PM [ in reply to Re: Anti-Clemson Bias ]

Admittedly, Clemson is the only GREAT team in the ACC, but there are several decent teams in the league, In fact, the ACC had more teams qualify for bowls, than any other league. All the ACC needs is for a couple of those eight win teams to become 10 win teams!

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 11:15 AM

People have grown tired of us. They are especially tired of our whining and crying.

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 2:41 PM

And nobody but us watches more than a half, because watching us have a scrimmage of 2,3,4 stringers is boring...

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 3:16 PM

There is no anti-Clemson bias. Spots writers & commenters as a group have a number of biases - none of them are anti-Clemson.

Sports writers & commenters have a lazy bias. The less they have to work on a story the better they like it. They didn't become sports writers because they wanted their writing skills to be admired. They wanted to get paid to hang around sports. It's much easier and more rewarding to write about the traditional powerhouses - the recognized names. And it's easier to just keep regurgitating story lines from years previous.

Sports writers & commentators have a sensationalism bias. They want to take whatever approach will stir up the most fans (have you watched Stephen A ?). It seems like every body with a camera on their computer is a sports commentator now. Put on a shirt and put a bookshelf in the background and you're a star. in the midst of all of this competition, the only way to get noticed (clickbait) is to promote the most sensational positions possible. Plus you can always change your position next week to get more clicks and give yourself cover after the games are played.

Finally, sports writers and commentators are a clan. They reinforce the staid, traditional views of the sports that they cover. They ridicule new or innovative thinking. These guys think they understand sports and they don't want to hear (or repeat) anyone who contradicts the herd.

So when you get a newcomer to the ranks of the elite, they are less likely to give them their due. Not because they hate Clemson, but because we threaten what they thought they understood.

One of the best things about sports, in this case football, is that they play the game out on the field where the results are clear cut and concrete. As it should be.

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Re: Anti-Clemson Bias


Dec 21, 2019, 8:33 PM

It is a mixed bag. Yes there is a ridiculous anti-Clemson bias. But the ACC is not up to snuff this year for certain. It is not as if Clemson would not be beating everybody in every other conference by two or more touchdowns, but it gives them a decent excuse. Time for us to show themwhat is real.

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