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Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?
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Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?


Jun 13, 2020, 10:27 PM

If so, that’s stupid.

I don’t care if that was the original name, Main Building sounds so unimaginative and generic. That’s like calling it Learning Hall or Academic Hall.

Once you are finished there, you head to Cafeteria to get something to eat, and then go to Library to study. Then you go back to Dorm A to take a nap.

Huge missed opportunity to name it something great. Main Building?!? LMAO.

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Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?


Jun 13, 2020, 10:29 PM

"Old Main" has a classic sound to it.

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But the official name wasn’t Old Main, it was just called that.


Jun 13, 2020, 10:36 PM

Official name was Main Building.

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Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?


Jun 14, 2020, 1:44 PM [ in reply to Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall? ]

Old Main was what it was called in 1922 when my father in law graduated.

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Brownell Building?


Jun 13, 2020, 10:30 PM

but I agree, if they are going to rename give it a name that helps us remember why we renamed it.

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Re: Brownell Building?


Jun 14, 2020, 7:10 AM

Like Marine wrote, Freedom Hall is a good name.

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Re: Brownell Building?


Jun 14, 2020, 11:13 AM

There is already a freedom hall

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Jun 14, 2020, 3:43 PM



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It's not stupid. It’s rather cool in an historical kind of


Jun 13, 2020, 10:42 PM

way.

I would have preferred Gantt Hall.

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Old Main is on ...


Jun 13, 2020, 10:52 PM

Gantt Circle

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Yep***


Jun 13, 2020, 10:53 PM



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but, to get to Gantt Circle, you have to use ...


Jun 13, 2020, 10:57 PM [ in reply to Old Main is on ... ]

Calhoun Drive. If Google Maps is accurate.

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Jun 14, 2020, 5:03 PM

Tillman Hall on Gantt Circle has got to have a bit of irony...

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Something great like Brownell Hall?


Jun 13, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?


Jun 13, 2020, 10:46 PM

To be honest, sir, I would click on your post’s in the past purely based on the quality of content from previous threads.

Sadly, lately you have been full of negativity, and honestly, ignorance. I know this is a life altering time we are all in and if a few of your comforts just so happen to be touched, I swear it is for the best.

You are one of few I have “respect” for even though words are faceless on this board and I hope you will soon pull it together and get back to the good stuff.

God bless! Go Tigers!

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What about my recent posts is ignorant?


Jun 14, 2020, 9:05 PM

My recent posts have included:

-The death of George Floyd is inexcusable and disgusting.
-Talking about Floyd's criminal past being irrelevant to the discussion regarding his death at the hands of a bad cop.
-My admission that I can't fully understand what some minorities go through or have gone through.
-My desire to learn more about how I can help be part of the solution to heal racism.
-My statements that black lives absolutely matter, a lot.

I'm guessing the posts that you probably don't like, and consider "ignorant," include:

-My call for us to separate a person's bad actions from their good and positive contributions.
-The fact that both Calhoun and Tillman, though flawed people, were essential to the formation of Clemson and worthy to continue to be honored.
-The ridiculousness of just changing names that have been part of Clemson history from the start, simply because people are offended by it, without any discussion or mature dialogue whatsoever.
-The fact that if black lives matter (and they do), then we must also discuss the 20 million black babies aborted since Roe v. Wade was passed, the fact that 75% of black families don't have a father present, and the fact that many black families live near or below the poverty line. These statements aren't popular right now, because they remove the victim mentality while also shifting the blame from white people and "systemic racism" (which is a myth, BTW - educate yourself).

I did acknowledge, in more than one post, that Clemson did the right thing to change the names. The public pressure is too great not to. But I won't apologize for feeling that the pressure to change these names is unreasonable and unfair, given some of my points above. I also feel that changing names and trying to gloss over history is a dangerous slope to play on. With changes such as these, I expect many more protests and riots will occur until much of the historical reminders we have are eliminated. That's sad.

You seem to make a lot of value judgments about me, based on the above. I feel that I have been very reasonable in the way I've approached the situation. I'm sorry if you feel otherwise. I don't believe that this is as simple as saying that one side of this debate is good and the other side of the debate is bad. I don't think it's nearly as simple. My posts have attempted to discuss some of these nuances, but I have realized that many people aren't to a point of being able to do that. I'm sure the frustration and sadness I have felt this past week or two over these issues in our society have spilled over into my posts. For that, I apologize.

God bless you as well. Go Tigers!

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Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?


Jun 13, 2020, 10:47 PM

There is nothing great sounding. Everything you do will just get negative remarks and snarky tweets so take the existing name off and return to the original one. No name on campus is worse that LJ anyway. That one is awful

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Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?


Jun 14, 2020, 1:15 AM

Actually, Schiletter is the worst by moral/ethical standards. Still not sure why we would have allowed to have a building named after “Shorty”.

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That place made everyone squirt like a goose


Jun 14, 2020, 11:04 AM

Maybe it was appropriate

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Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?


Jun 13, 2020, 10:49 PM

I hear we are knocking it down and doing something very modern and all reflective glass. Should look cool.

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Please, no human names, even Harvey Gantt!


Jun 13, 2020, 10:54 PM

Old Main is ok with me.

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Re: Please, no human names! how bout Spurrier


Jun 13, 2020, 11:06 PM

He sure isnt human

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What did you have in mind?***


Jun 13, 2020, 11:03 PM



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Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.


No...it is Old Main...a ton of universities have


Jun 13, 2020, 11:17 PM

one of their original buildings named Old Main.

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So we're copying other universities now?***


Jun 14, 2020, 9:06 PM



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It was the ORIGINAL name of the building...not sure who did


Jun 15, 2020, 12:08 PM

it first but it was common practice at universities. You do know that there were other teams with a Tiger mascot a little before us?

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Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?


Jun 13, 2020, 11:45 PM

Pretty sure we need to support the new/old name for at least 10 years and maybe more if it doesn't measure up to other ACC buildings... If it is still a mediocre name at that point I believe we say, "but it's about to be a good building name finally. And what better name can we get..."

Not sure about you, but when I was at Clemson we did say, "let's go to the cafeteria." We also called the library, "the library" although we didn't go there as much as we maybe should have.

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Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?


Jun 14, 2020, 12:21 AM

They didn’t have Hardcum or Shitletter yet?

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Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?


Jun 14, 2020, 1:04 AM

We had both. I graduated in 94. Lived in Johnstone F first year so we usually just ate at Harcombe.

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I can't believe I'm the first to TU this post


Jun 14, 2020, 5:14 AM [ in reply to Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall? ]

And to the poster who replied, "I used to click on your posts for their quality"...


LMFAO

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Re: I can't believe I'm the first to TU this post


Jun 14, 2020, 11:03 AM

Believe it. Have a great Sunday ??

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Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?


Jun 14, 2020, 1:14 AM

Main Building sounds like a backdrop place in the skyline of a video game where no gameplay happens.

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Jun 14, 2020, 6:13 AM



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Jun 14, 2020, 6:55 AM

So, it could be named simply “Building”. Hey that could work.

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Jun 14, 2020, 3:46 PM

Come on now. Be original, maybe something like Tall Bldg. or Red Brick Bldg.

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Jun 14, 2020, 3:25 PM [ in reply to I adopted a new dog today. Named it Dog.*** ]

a while back. the little bugger has popped out two litters of kittens. we just call her mama cat......

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It sounds like something from Alabama auburn


Jun 14, 2020, 8:46 AM

Or one of those SEC schools full of savages.

I know that was the original name but it’s gonna throw people off.

Maybe Watson hall? Great role model for any color person

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"Going to the Library" was exactly what we used to say at


Jun 14, 2020, 10:52 AM

Clemson. Don't know that I ever remember hearing the word "Cooper" spoken.

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Re: "Going to the Library" was exactly what we used to say at


Jun 14, 2020, 1:07 PM

Maybe we should trademark "THE" Library. oh, wait...

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Jun 15, 2020, 12:33 PM

I still have my The Library Club card.

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The library was good for taking naps


Jun 14, 2020, 1:35 PM [ in reply to "Going to the Library" was exactly what we used to say at ]

that was about it.

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Right, but the building wasn't named just Library.


Jun 14, 2020, 9:09 PM [ in reply to "Going to the Library" was exactly what we used to say at ]

According to the press release, the proposal is to rename Tillman Hall to Main Building.

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Re: Right, but the building wasn't named just Library.


Jun 15, 2020, 12:36 PM

I can't believe we are talking about renaming a building to begin with but renaming one that has already had the name stripped and no new name to assign it. Get used to it I guess. It's just the tip of the iceberg.

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I thought I saw "Old Main" as the proposed title. That would


Jun 14, 2020, 10:58 AM

to me give it the proper historical context, as it was once the Main building, and is now one of the few remaining "original" structures on campus. I put "original" in quotes, because it burned, and has been modernized inside several times. Only the external appearance is original. Even the clock is not the original one, it is on display elsewhere on campus. It's almost like the old restorers joke about an axe that was a family heirloom. "It has had the handle replaced a few times, and a new head put on it after World War II, but other than that, it's all ORIGINAL!"

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No name chosen will be satisfactory. That’s a fact.


Jun 14, 2020, 11:19 AM

At least the only argument people can make against ‘Old Main’ is that it’s boring.

Frankly , a great many are probably ready for some ‘boring’ about now.

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Pretty sure the intention isn't to rename it but rather to


Jun 14, 2020, 11:39 AM

Un name it. For those uneasy about renaming buildings and whitewashing history, this will root the change in a historical context and undo something that was done intentionally as an in-your-face during the civil rights movement.

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Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?


Jun 14, 2020, 11:41 AM

The reason: expediency--the sooner this is resolved, the better.

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I dont think


Jun 14, 2020, 3:23 PM

we should name it after a person. just my opinion.

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Re: Is Main Building seriously the proposed replacement for Tillman Hall?


Jun 14, 2020, 3:38 PM

There's another to be named "2nd Most Important Bldg." I suppose that will create a theme.

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