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Looking ahead
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Looking ahead


Jan 15, 2020, 11:51 AM

Not to get too far ahead of things but would a 18-19 win season possibly put us in position for an NCAA bid?

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Jan 15, 2020, 11:56 AM



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Possibly it obviously depends on who we beat,


Jan 15, 2020, 12:38 PM

but I would think it would be tough to deny a 19-12 Clemson team with a win over Duke, and a 13-7 ACC record which is about what we’d need to have 19 wins. I think if we could get another signature win, then it’d definitely be possible. I think any postseason birth would be a huge success this year, and that includes NIT.

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Depends on our NET ranking and quality wins.


Jan 15, 2020, 12:57 PM

We don't have any bad losses at this point. Yale is our worst loss, and they are atop the Ivy League now which has become a respectable basketball league in recent years.

If we avoid any bad losses, can pick up a few more quality wins, and can finish with a NET ranking in the top 30, I think we would be in good shape to at least be in the conversation. We would certainly be trending well over the latter half to 2/3rds of the season, and that counts for a lot.

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Yale is not close to being our worst loss


Jan 15, 2020, 1:52 PM

Looking at 3 different polls:

Pomeroy through yesterday's games, the teams we've lost to and their rankings:

Virginia Tech - 51
Colorado - 24
Minnesota - 34
Florida State - 14
South Carolina - 105
Yale - 58
Miami - 88

For comparison, we are currently 76th

South Carolina is by far our worst loss, with Miami a distant 2nd and Yale a very distant 3rd. Unfortunately all 3 of them were at home.

Similarly ESPN's BPI puts Yale at 52, Miami at 90 and South Carolina at 113.

NCAA Net Rankings has Yale at 55, Miami at 83 and South Carolina at 121.

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Thanks for those stats.


Jan 15, 2020, 2:03 PM

However, I wasn't referring to KenPom and other statistical rankings, because as you know, those can change a lot from January to March.

My post dealt more with the general perception of our losses. Yale is our only non-power 5 loss, and the only team which could've been considered a bad loss in recent years.

You'll have to forgive me for not caring as much about statistical rankings. I lost interest after last year, when we finished with 20 wins, a .500 record in the ACC, and a NET ranking in the low-mid 30s and didn't make it into the NCAA Tournament. The NCAA said that the NET ranking was their main criteria, but that obviously wasn't/isn't the case.

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If you weren't referring to "any other statistical rankings"


Jan 15, 2020, 2:16 PM

then why did you say "it depends on our NET ranking" in your subject line?

The NCAA selection committee DGAF about perception, the fact remains that in NET rankings the number next to UofSuCk's name is more than twice as big as the number next to Yale's. So to suggest that Yale is our worst loss, even if you're referring to "general perception," is completely absurd.

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I would bet that most people here view the loss to Yale


Jan 15, 2020, 2:27 PM

as a worse loss than the University of South Carolina.

After we lost to Yale, I read multiple posts talking about how awful it was to lose to a school that doesn't have athletic scholarships. One poster even suggested that it should be grounds for firing Brownell.

Obviously, no one here is on the selection committee.

If we are talking about the NCAA selection committee, then yes, statistical rankings matter a lot and the losses to Miami and South Carolina are worse than the loss to Yale - at least at this point.

However, it's still early and there is a lot of basketball left to be played. SC and Miami will both have chances to improve their rankings now that we are firmly in conference play. Yale won't have as many of those opportunities, though I do think they are a good team.

Perception still matters, even to the selection committee. We can't ignore that. If it didn't matter, then they would've relied more on the NET last year than they did. Quality wins seemed to matter a lot last year, arguably more than NET ranking or bad losses did.

I realize now that my post was confusing and not worded well.

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Well we'll put that up to a vote and see what the people


Jan 15, 2020, 3:29 PM

here think.

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Okay, knock yourself out.


Jan 15, 2020, 4:06 PM

I'm not sure why you consider it a worthwhile use of time, but if it's that important to you, go for it.

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Question is moot, wins should be 20+


Jan 15, 2020, 5:49 PM

These victorious over UNC, DOOK ! have totally changed this team. You can't beat good karma.

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