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Now they are saying masks don't work and can actually
Apr 15, 2020, 7:09 AM
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spread the virus. This is why I laugh when someone tries to claim these models and projections as fact. Haha.
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Re: Now they are saying masks don't work and can actually
Apr 15, 2020, 7:11 AM
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The models said masks should be worn? Hmm...missed that one!
Do you kick your dog?
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Re: Now they are saying masks don't work and can actually
Apr 15, 2020, 7:57 AM
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Dogs escape noonces like this toolbag the first time a door is left open .
Even a faithful breed like dogs knows when there's no hope .
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Re: Now they are saying masks don't work and can actually
Apr 15, 2020, 11:35 AM
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LMAO Tigerdug! Thanks, I needed that.
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Re: Now they are saying masks don't work and can actually
Apr 15, 2020, 7:20 AM
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Who is “they”, and where did “they” say that?
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Re: Now they are saying masks don't work and can actually
Apr 15, 2020, 7:25 AM
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Saw it on the news. Try and keep up.
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Re: Now they are saying masks don't work and can actually
Apr 15, 2020, 8:23 AM
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I saw a random idiot primary care doc with some official title in Washington saying this yesterday. She was talking about loose fitting surgical masks. Better masks can certainly stop this virus. The BS coming out of Washington usually tilts to what they want you to believe and what’s “doable” more than factual.
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Even if it doesn't fit it still helps
Apr 15, 2020, 9:05 AM
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It will still stop droplets and it will do it from both directions. It's all about odds.
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^^^Gets it. This disease is all about odds. There is nothing
Apr 15, 2020, 9:14 AM
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Magical or lucky about it. It started with the odds of it crossing species. Odds are increased by cramming millions of people into a small radius with millions of animals. Then it’s about being in a heavy populated area that spreads quickly. Then you’re more likely to spread rapidly in a large city. 6 feet away won’t stop all particles but The larger distance you are from others the smaller chance you have if encountering a particle. If you’re six feet away and have a surgical mask you are even less likely to come into contact with a particle on your face. If I go to the grocery store and pick up my groceries that I ordered once per week rather than spending an hour in the grocery store and going out to eat 3-4 times per week, the odds are less that I get it. Washing my hands 1000 times per day decreases my odds as well. As described, we are decreasing odds not 100% stopping.
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random idiot primary care doc. Wow, that sounds arrogant.
Apr 15, 2020, 9:09 AM
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Family Medicine, Pediatrics, internal medicine are all primary care. I’m hoping you mean this one particular person was an idiot. Or are you implying the rest of us are too?
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Re: random idiot primary care doc. Wow, that sounds arrogant.
Apr 15, 2020, 9:21 AM
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I AM a primary care doc. I say this with some basis in fact. I could sit and pick apart what she said point by point, but neither you nor I care to see it.
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I'll take your word for it Doc. I'm not a doctor but am an
Apr 15, 2020, 9:25 AM
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engineer and we think we know everything.
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Re: I'll take your word for it Doc. I'm not a doctor but am an
Apr 15, 2020, 3:56 PM
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Thanks Neal, we appreciate your honesty! 
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I thought you were primary care and not defending what she said.
Apr 15, 2020, 9:30 AM
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I was just insuring you weren’t implying that primary care physicians are idiotic by nature. I didn’t see what she said anyways.
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Re: I thought you were primary care and not defending what she said.
Apr 15, 2020, 10:18 AM
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It's OK. It was meant to be specific to THAT doc, who seemed to be saying what she was told to say, and clearly giving half-truths to support an agenda.
Oh, and Neal- BTW- I was a computer engineer (Clemson '86) and went to graduate school at Clemson in EE.
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Gotcha, sorry for assuming otherwise. Hope you and yours are safe.
Apr 15, 2020, 10:21 AM
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The county I live in still has less than 5 positive cases. So thankfully the testing and equipment are here before the virus hits hard. But I know that’s not the average story.
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Re: Now they are saying masks don't work and can actually
Apr 15, 2020, 7:33 AM
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Viral particle droplets can be less than 5 um. Surgical masks cannot filter all of it but it reduces it by 3X you would get otherwise without a mask. Most viral particles are in aerosol water droplets around 60 um which are more effectively filtered. However, the little guys--some will get through. N95(95%filtration) filters down to .3 um...which means it filters 95% of aerosols challenge. There are N99 (99%) and N100(100%) but you don't hear them talking about those as they are rarely needed.Now would be a good time to have them.That's why the need the freaking masks plus at best, they get saturated and ineffective after 6-8 hours. Surgical masks have much much less filtration capacity-- for just walking around probably help some. If a COVID-19 person sneezes in your face, you are not protected.
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Re: Now they are saying masks don't work and can actually
Apr 15, 2020, 8:24 AM
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N-99 is as close to 100 I have found, and I think the actual number on those is 99.97% filtration. I have them for my family.
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I also heard condoms aren’t 100% effective either
Apr 15, 2020, 7:37 AM
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Raw dogging ftw!!
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Wait...what !?!?!?!***
Apr 15, 2020, 7:42 AM
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Trojan says 98%. I guess that means they should
Apr 15, 2020, 7:45 AM
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pay 2% of your child support. Seems fair to me.
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Re: ^^Yup! You is a
Apr 15, 2020, 11:16 AM
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well, it's 1200 bucks, so sparingly is about the best one can get out of it.
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As someone who does groundwater modeling....
Apr 15, 2020, 7:43 AM
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No model is fact....just the best predictive tool that we have. More data makes it better. We are constantly adding more hard data to our groundwater models to achieve better predictions.
COVID models are no different.
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Re: As someone who does groundwater modeling....
Apr 15, 2020, 7:50 AM
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Agree. Predictive metrics are a constantly changing indicator as more data refines the prediction. Maybe we should hire the weather forecasters to provide accurate predictive metrics. Oh wait.......
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Re: As someone who does groundwater modeling....
Apr 15, 2020, 9:25 AM
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The issue is that they aren't revising their models to match what actually happened. For example, if I knew for a fact that there were 500 hospitalizations yesterday, but my model still says there should have been 1,000, I need to figure out where my model is wrong and adjust to match what actually happened.
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That can be extremely difficult.
Apr 15, 2020, 9:41 AM
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You can throw in a fudge factor to end up at the right result always once that result is known, but if that’s the case, the model is missing something that affects the output. Knowing what the model is missing is the million dollar question. There’s no way to know that right now or maybe ever. The number of variables associated with something like this I can only imagine is huge and possibly time or otherwise variant. Quite a difficult problem indeed.
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Good thing we don't have that issue with global warming
Apr 15, 2020, 9:48 AM
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we got that #### nailed down
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Re: That can be extremely difficult.
Apr 15, 2020, 11:19 AM
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I completely agree, but the modelers should be combing their models to try to find that missing piece. They should have enough data now to be able to revise their models and match confirmed data. If they can't do that, they shouldn't publish their models. There will always be uncertainty and a range moving forward, but their models can't reproduce yesterday.
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For me, there is never enough data...
Apr 15, 2020, 12:04 PM
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I always want more for my groundwater models. Lucky for me....I don't have too many human factors to evaulate.
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Re: For me, there is never enough data...
Apr 15, 2020, 12:13 PM
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You are absolutely right! When you read the studies, the authors openly state that they are ignoring potential seasonality/temperature effects, community standards on closeness, population density, etc.
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I highly recommend that you wear one as a muzzle***
Apr 15, 2020, 7:55 AM
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Re: I highly recommend that you wear one as a muzzle***
Apr 15, 2020, 8:00 AM
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would have to be beak-shaped.
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Like this?
Apr 15, 2020, 10:28 AM
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Re: I'll play along
Apr 15, 2020, 8:33 AM
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I'm sure your info is correct in some context you're not including.
Just like when one "authority" said yesterday that 75% of patients who go on ventilators die: that doesn't mean the ventilator is what kills them.
Your statement makes it seem that wearing a mask is riskier than going in public with a naked face. That is categorically untrue.
The only way a mask can spread the virus is if it gets contaminated and then reused or shared.
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Re: Now they are saying masks don't work and can actually
Apr 15, 2020, 8:54 AM
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I hear that if you tie one of these really tightly over your head before going out of your home it is 100% effective at keeping out the virus.
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Of course masks can spread the virus.
Apr 15, 2020, 11:23 AM
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If someone wears a mask, touches a door handle with the virus on it, then touches the mask, the mask is now contaminated. If the outside of the mask is touched as he takes it off, and then he scratches his face, he's been exposed to the virus.
Masks do work though. There is a reason those in healthcare have been wearing them for all these years.
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Re: Of course masks can spread the virus.
Apr 15, 2020, 12:11 PM
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Agree especially if you don't take them off properly from around the ears without touching the front. See so many people doing that even news reporters touching the front, pulling then down around the neck then pulling them back up.
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Re: Of course masks can spread the virus.
Apr 15, 2020, 12:14 PM
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The reason that the CDC didn't endorse wearing masks is because, as you said, it's very difficult to wear correctly and provide protection.
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Re: Now they are saying masks don't work and can actually
Apr 15, 2020, 11:33 AM
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They work to get into the store.
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