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This country is ripe for a “purple” third party.
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This country is ripe for a “purple” third party.


Jan 10, 2021, 8:10 AM

I know I’m not the only one who feels alienated and unable to fully commit to either liberal or Conservative party agendas. Rampant radicalization, each group having zero respect for the other as Americans. I’m so disgusted.

This is another crossroads for this great, imperfect country. If we can’t decide which direction to take together, we will fall divided. I hope this admin and Congress sees the need to unite us. There are some inconvenient truths we must confront, but we can’t solve these problems if we view everything through radical lenses and cannot accept opposing viewpoints. We need mercy, perspective, and empathy. America is a camel, created from groups coming together to debate the creation of a perfect horse. Trump and the hatred of Trump have taken us to a new low. He’s done, let’s reboot and get back to work. Let’s find leaders who can cross the aisle, who hate gridlock, who love America and ALL its people.

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Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party.


Jan 10, 2021, 8:21 AM

I love your words. However, can we realistically count on this congress to unite us when they want to impeach a president with 1 week left as he limps out the front door? I would have a lot more hope if they were more gracious in their now full control of government.

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The first thing Biden did was make it about race


Jan 10, 2021, 8:25 AM

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1347298213422747649

Always uniting

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Feigned outrage based on a hypothetical.


Jan 10, 2021, 8:27 AM

We have to reject this type of rhetoric from both sides.

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I badly want this, but if not, we need to find new leaders.


Jan 10, 2021, 8:30 AM [ in reply to Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party. ]

We need all our politicians to come back to us. I don’t know if it’s term limits, removal of lobbyists, or what.

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Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party.


Jan 10, 2021, 8:32 AM [ in reply to Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party. ]

Why would anyone be gracious to Trump? That's the last thing he deserves. He deserves to be locked up. He is a traitor. That said, they should just leave it all alone. He is leaving disgraced and it's not as if he would ever even have a slim chance of winning another election. They want to impeach and convict him so he can never run again and he can't raise money. I say just let him be. He will never hold another office anyway. Let the suckers give him money. Who cares? That's less money that can go to other truly viable candidates.

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Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party.


Jan 10, 2021, 8:26 AM

The Dems would love that at this stage. That said, maybe by the time the public has 4 years of the Dems it might work. Right now it would just divide the Repubs.

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Time will tell, I’m hopeful.***


Jan 10, 2021, 8:28 AM



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Re: Time will tell, I’m hopeful.***


Jan 10, 2021, 8:32 AM

I would welcome it as well.

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The first order of business is trillions more of free stuff


Jan 10, 2021, 8:28 AM [ in reply to Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party. ]

because last week's 5600+ page spending bill was not enough

https://www.ft.com/content/b69a5de3-e334-48db-8d74-c52068476bb8


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Everyone should be embarrassed by this bill.***


Jan 10, 2021, 8:32 AM



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Re: The first order of business is trillions more of free stuff


Jan 10, 2021, 8:34 AM [ in reply to The first order of business is trillions more of free stuff ]

Trump ran up bigger deficits by an outrageous amount over even Obama and that was before covid. You don't care about spending. When did you start caring?

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I complained often about spending under Trump


Jan 10, 2021, 8:36 AM

Republicans are no where near as bad as Democrats when it comes to spending, but they spend too much. Tax rate cuts are worthless without decreases in government spending.

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Re: I complained often about spending under Trump


Jan 10, 2021, 8:40 AM

You're ignorant. Trump's spending'deficit creation dwarfed Obama's last 4 years. It was insanity. I assume you haven't seen the graphs. Trump was a train wreck. You don't even the basic issues. You should consider not posting about issues you are ignorant about.

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You can’t go a day without


Jan 10, 2021, 8:45 AM

personally attacking. Use your big boy words and explain your position without insulting. Not that hard man.

Took me a while to get there too, but you can do it. If you think someone is ignorant, put them in ignore. Problem solved.

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Re: You can’t go a day without


Jan 10, 2021, 9:01 AM

That was a well deserved observation for an ignorant moron. It should learn the basics. He is a big boy. He can handle it. Thanks for your input though. You're ok for now. If you post one of your ignorant comments you read it too. When you say something cool I give props. We have a lot of ignorant people out there that deserve to be heckled at the moment though.

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Re: I complained often about spending under Trump


Jan 10, 2021, 8:43 AM [ in reply to I complained often about spending under Trump ]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-deficits-are-racing-past-obamas/?sh=367760614819

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Why would you want to compare Obama's last three


Jan 10, 2021, 8:56 AM

hint: his last three years he had a republican congress

years against Trump's first three years? I am against deficit spending no matter who is controlling congress except for extreme circumstances like covid.

https://datalab.usaspending.gov/americas-finance-guide/deficit/trends/


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Re: Why would you want to compare Obama's last three


Jan 10, 2021, 9:02 AM

SO what's Trump's excuse again?

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I have never agreed with Trump's spending


Jan 10, 2021, 9:19 AM

his first two years in office he had a republican congress and it would have been a perfect time to cut federal spending.

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Re: I have never agreed with Trump's spending


Jan 10, 2021, 9:32 AM

Fair enough, but complain about Trump or Repubs as well. Biden after year 1/covid might spend less than Trump? Who knows? Obama did? Bottom line, it's not like one party is guaranteed better or worse than the other at this stage. If we go back to Clinton and move to today, the Repubs are far worse when it comes to spending/deficits.

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Did the 'writers' get credit or just remain anonymous...?***


Jan 10, 2021, 1:52 PM [ in reply to The first order of business is trillions more of free stuff ]



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Dems will divide if they keep power


Jan 10, 2021, 9:25 AM [ in reply to Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party. ]

they can unite against another party, but if they are in charge, there will be division in the party.

I'm down for a moderate party.

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I'd argue we already had a purple party. For decades


Jan 10, 2021, 9:38 AM [ in reply to Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party. ]

While the Dems slowly drifted left and consolidated power on multiple fronts.... Nancy Pelosi as speaker. Obama as President... Pubs spent years being kinder, gentler, compassionate, etc.

So along comes Trump. He moved the GOP right to a point that more than offsets the Dems in 4 years. Much faster process.

There is no third party that can work given the situation we have. There is no political solution to $30 trillion in debt. There is no political solution to responsibly use the power and resources our government now has. It's far too much to fight for to appeal to reasonable people to manage.

It is what it is. The chance to fix it died long ago IMO. You have to elect people to Congress who want government to be smaller, spend less, and less powerful. Instead we elect people who use that power to perpetuate "political" careers. They make you think they're more important than they are. Not less.

We are all to blame really.

This was the danger and the turnoff for enacting a federal income tax. It's why we didn't even have one for half our history as a nation. But the temptation was too great. It can allow us to rule the earth and establish world peace. It can allow us to become the richest nation in Earth. It can also allow us to fall apart if peace lasts long enough. This is how our enemies are thinking I promise. The way to destroy America is not through a suicidal war. Nope. Leave America to destroy itself from peace and prosperity.

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Re: I'd argue we already had a purple party. For decades


Jan 10, 2021, 10:17 AM

I disagree we're effed. The one thing I disagree with you most on is you seem to buy into that we're-all-doomed narrative both sides like to push. I agree there's a stiff price to be paid for our short-sightedness, sure...there always is. But people have this way of turning to better leaders when necessity arises...bad leaders tend to arise from complacency in times of plenty. We get fat, stupid, and entitled. And hubris ensues.

We've had a bad run of government thanks, frankly, to a Baby Boomer generation that grew up in the postwar boom of the '50's in a world that across Asia and Europe had largely bombed itself back to the Stone Age...and exactly like new-money kids came to take America's prosperity and dominance of the world order as their right. Our own success bit us. If our grandparents were the Greatest Generation, Boomers, frankly, are going to go down as one of the absolute worst. The biggest critique you can make of the Boomers now is this: they're cannibalizing their own kids' and grandkids' futures for their own comfort, and act like responsible stewardship - economic, societal, environmental - is freaking socialism and an imposition on them, them, precious them.

We just - well, hopefully, he still has 10 days left to wriggle free, which you know he'll likely try - repelled Donald Trump and his particularly poisonous pushing of that particular sentiment. Next we'll have to repel a charge from the far left who think now is their time to re-order our social fabric with rainbows and moonbeams. And if those of us who aren't partisans but attempt to be problem solvers just keep talking things out and putting our heads together, hopefully we'll collectively repel that brand of stupid and get to a better place again.

Easy? No. But what ever is?

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Not sure where that optimism can come from


Jan 10, 2021, 1:21 PM

Either you’re in the school of thought that says our massive and increasing debt load is no biggie, or you see an American public that’s ok with giving up quite a bit of govt cheese and embracing the pseudo-austerity measures that would be required to eliminate it in two generations.

America showed they didn’t like the belt-tightening Perot was selling in 1992 when the debt was $5T. They sure aren’t going to like a candidate selling it now. That person doesn’t have a snowballs chance in Columbia of getting elected, much less pushing that stone up the hill if they did.

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I’m not sure.


Jan 10, 2021, 8:31 AM

I don’t see much middle ground on the issues of today.

What I think could gain traction is anon-establishment version of left and right wing politicians.

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Re: I’m not sure.


Jan 10, 2021, 8:40 AM

I don’t see middle ground either. Let’s hear Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer give us specifics for middle ground and maybe I’ll feel more hopeful.

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Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party.


Jan 10, 2021, 9:06 AM

You want options better than just choosing between Bad and Worse?

I've been on this refrain for years and I'm going to be on it over and over and over again until it sinks in - the key is ranked choice voting.

Such a simple little tweak to our voting system - and yet it changes everything. It puts all the power of choice back in the hands of the voters again and people do not appreciate how massive it truly is.

Basically, you just list your choices in order. If there's four names on the ballot, I want this guy the most, I'd choose this guy next, this one if I absolutely have to...and this guy who I really don't want I leave dead last.

The first-place votes are then counted. If nobody's got 50%, the second-place votes are added to that total. If nobody's still at 50%, the third-place votes are added. Which means the odds are much, much, much higher that even if you don't get the person you want, you get somebody you can actually at least tolerate.

And since multiple candidates can all be on the stage at once, they have to sell what they themselves have to offer...and can't just focus on obliterating everybody else.

This blows up extremist candidates. Socialists like AOC's on the left and far-far-far-right fringers and QAnon conspiracy theorists and anybody who came across like a maniac don't do well in this system because too many people find those kind of candidates too crazy and rank them last. It also makes it way, way easier to vote out somebody who switches teams seemingly on a monthly basis like Lindsey Graham who habitually breaks faith with his voters but then relies upon the fact that voters in his deep-red state would rather have him than a Democrat.

It puts all the power back in the hands of the voters again. Our problem is that the politicians and this two-party system we've got going puts all the power in the hands of the parties and party bosses and backroom power-brokers that have absolutely nothing to do with We The People, and everything about keeping things sweet and easy for them, the professional politicians.

I've had more than a bellyful of that crap. And that's what ranked choice is - they should actually call it "actual choice", since that's what it effectively is.

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Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party.


Jan 10, 2021, 9:12 AM

I like it !!!

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Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party.


Jan 10, 2021, 9:18 AM

Hey quozzel I have a hypothetical question. Just for fun under your system who do you think we might have elected based on who ran in the primaries?

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Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party.


Jan 10, 2021, 9:35 AM

Well, actually, I think you'd see some party splits.

Neither the Dems nor Republicans are really a single unit, the Dems especially. AOC and Bernie are outright Socialists and they really didn't belong on the same stage with Biden, Mayor Pete, or Amy Klobuchar, and in a multi-party system they wouldn't be.

Bernie would have gotten to the final four. He's got a strong bunch of devotees. Obviously on the Republican side Trump would have been one of the final four...but because of how extreme Trump is, this also would have opened the door for a more moderate Republican to take that center-right lane, and I'd stare hard at Marco Rubio or someone similar to win there.

That fourth spot would have gone to the center-left candidate - Biden/Mayor Pete/Klobuchar. Black voters didn't like Mayor Pete or Klobuchar much so I think Biden probably would have still gotten that nod. Joe won decisively in South Carolina and was going to win across the Deep South the same way.

So the final 4 would have likely been something like Bernie/Biden/Rubio/Trump...and in that system, I think Marco Rubio wins and is probably our president-elect now. Bernie and Trump would have been dead-last in too many peoples' books (and rightly so, IMHO), meaning it would be between Biden and Rubio...and sorry, Rubio's just plain a stronger candidate in a bunch of different ways than Biden is.

FWIW.

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Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party.


Jan 10, 2021, 9:41 AM

I like how you think. I want the most conservative candidate. That’s my #1. Most likely would not get my choice but would come closer to getting a candidate I could stomach. I think this is awesome. But I also think, unfortunately , it’s like the fair tax , term limits and other sensible ideas. I see no chance.

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Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party.


Jan 10, 2021, 9:55 AM

Most Americans, IMHO, are actually centrists even if we think we're not. Other than the Baby Bolsheviks out at Berkeley and the fringes of 8kun on the right, I don't really see Americans hating each other much on the actual street or workplace. You look out at your typical street corner and workplace, I see people still somehow mostly getting along despite the strain we're all under. The vast majority of us would rather crack a beer and talk things out than punch somebody in the face, and watch some football and hang out around the tailgate together. That is the real America, always has been.

So if it's not the people hating each other, who's stirring the pot? Well, our politicians and their spin doctors and propagandists, folks looking to "trigger" us and manipulate us to their own advantage and gain and play off the conflict because unity leads to accountability, and thus a less comfie ride for them....

No, the "establishment" wants things just as they are. They don't want We The People having actual choices...including the choice of replacing someone who isn't actually serving us.

Ranked Choice really is Actual Choice...but it is actually creeping in. Maine and Alaska just did it.

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Re: This country is ripe for a “purple” third party.


Jan 10, 2021, 9:59 AM

Ok you are my choice for president quozzel. Good thoughts.

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It's called Libertarian....


Jan 10, 2021, 9:54 AM

Which, IMHO, most people are.

Socially liberal.
Fiscally conservative.

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But not if they're Trump supporters


Jan 10, 2021, 10:38 AM

A lot of Trumpies try to call themselves Libertarians, and Trump is completely anti-Libertarian.

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We probably need 4 parties


Jan 10, 2021, 1:27 PM

The nation is older than Democrats and Republicans

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There ain’t no party like a west coast party***


Jan 10, 2021, 1:53 PM



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Jan 10, 2021, 2:30 PM

Or maybe a collective hit

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