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All-In [47303]
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Inauguration drinking games
Jan 20, 2021, 11:26 AM
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Watcha got?
shot every time "Unity" is mentioned?
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No need to drink today.
Jan 20, 2021, 11:27 AM
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Trump is out. Nerves relieved.
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Freedom boner is at FULL MAST right now***
Jan 20, 2021, 11:29 AM
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BRB, I'm heading out to turn in my guns.
Jan 20, 2021, 11:31 AM
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I'm just going to get it over with.
That, and I'm applying for student loans on behalf of every child I can so they will all be forgiven and free health care and socialism here we come.
Wanna sword fight in the name of freedom?
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Absolutely. Prepare to be defeated, this bonar is swell***
Jan 20, 2021, 11:38 AM
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hate speech!!!!***
Jan 20, 2021, 12:12 PM
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CU Medallion [64837]
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Boner???? You mean gender neutral reproductive organ?
Jan 20, 2021, 11:33 AM
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Quit being a cis-male pig. This is not the time nor place for your divisive violent language.
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its called pride and having pride in your
Jan 20, 2021, 12:17 PM
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nation and your beliefs and your way of life.
Which (I am not surprised) it seems Liberals cannot comprehend. There is no sense of pride only a sense of self importance with Liberalism.
You are acting just like the scared kids and the bullied as the schoolyard bully goes onto high school, giddy and finally beating that chest.
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lol
Jan 20, 2021, 12:19 PM
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“Liberals” are wrong. Just as are “conservatives”.
Jan 20, 2021, 12:50 PM
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It doesn’t belong to man to direct his own step. Jeremiah 10:23. How could another man be haughty enough to direct a nation’s direction? Who could feel arrogant enough to throw their support behind a human candidate? Plus idol worship is condemned in the Bible. Worship a flag? Worship a flag with a man’s name on it? Plus and plus and plus. Ain’t nobody listening to the truth. We’re all stepping back and pointing fingers. The truth is, we’re all imperfect. None of us know all the answers. But what we do know is that we only know what we believe in. If we have any faith in a sovereign ruler and creator, we should check our privilege and listen to what others have to share. We shouldn’t be deceived. And we certainly shouldn’t put our alliance with other imperfect equals. We need the truth. We need to know that lies can deceive us, even if we thought we could never believe in them. The Devil has had a very long time to work on his craft.
And I think that I got lost in this drunken post. Find me when you can.
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Are socialists allowed to drink?
Jan 20, 2021, 11:31 AM
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That’s really my biggest concern right now.
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Sure. They drink everybody else's booze.***
Jan 20, 2021, 11:32 AM
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I think I want to be a socialist then. I think.
Jan 20, 2021, 11:34 AM
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Are tailgaters socialists? I think they are! I can respect that.
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Smoke everyone else's weed too. I had a socialist
Jan 20, 2021, 11:42 AM
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roommate in college.
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I owe you.***
Jan 20, 2021, 11:52 AM
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All debts are forgiven now that Biden is bringing Socialism
Jan 20, 2021, 12:10 PM
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to the United States.
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Brocialism***
Jan 20, 2021, 12:11 PM
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I like that, has a cool ring to it. Something we could
Jan 20, 2021, 12:13 PM
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vision-quest and camp while being Brocialists. Your beer is my beer, your weed is my weed, your palm is my palm.
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Hey quick question. Would you mind
Jan 20, 2021, 11:34 AM
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just defining socialism as you understand it, then detail what you are afraid of happening (and when) as it relates to that definition? I'm genuinely curious.
And at what point do you see us moving from actual capitalism to what the rest of the world would consider socialism?
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It's not that I support facsism or any ism for that matter
Jan 20, 2021, 11:37 AM
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Isms, in my opinion, are not good. A person should not believe in an ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." Not bad, but then again he was the walrus.
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I won't speak for Bill, but a few thoughts:
Jan 20, 2021, 12:09 PM
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No, we are not in danger of losing capitalism. Neither is China, which is now a capitalist totalitarian state. Not equating us to China, just saying it's not as simple as saying, "Hey, you can still own your business."
As a definition in actual practice, it seems that the only disagreement between the left and right is how many steps to left of the current condition one has to go to get there. The left will say two steps, the right will say one, but whenever the current line moves left, socialism becomes further left. We gain on it and never get there. The only question is whether we are helping or hurting ourselves, and that argument is always ideological rather than rational.
We are probably socialist by a 1920's definition. The largest item in the govt budget is now health care, 30-ish%.. Different pie charts show different things, but if one doesn't count Social Security - it is a return of separate monies collected for that purpose - health care is over half the budget. Add in education, which the Fed Govt didn't spend any money on until recently, and you're talking about a huge part of the budget.
If state supports are considered, a family of four earning no more than some maximum amount (varies by state) will receive substantial guaranteed wage, combining cash payments, ebt, medicare, ADT, earned income credet,etc. Because I was friends with a couple with two young kids, the couple earning about $2000/mo, I know that for them the total value of all that to them was about another $2000/mo.
Add all that together, you're talking a huge part of Fed and State govt. Half? Probably.
One can argue all day about whether this has made us any better off. The knee jerk reflex to any issue is to spend govt $$, yet the end point gets further away. We continue to say that more govt provided health care and a higher wage floor will take us to some place called "equity" (I might, in return, ask you to define that), but it is in fact further away. What we can bank on is that this administration will increase both of those dramatically, paid for with borrowed dollars. Whether that gets us anywhere is the argument, isn't it?
But are we socialist? I don't see how we avoid saying we are.
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So does this mean capitalism is dead?
Jan 20, 2021, 12:11 PM
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Is there ANY capitalism left anywhere?
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Why in the world would you think I said that?***
Jan 20, 2021, 12:13 PM
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I referred to a 'definition as used in practice'. Did you see that?
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Ah, man I'm not trying to get into a word-smithed runabout
Jan 20, 2021, 12:35 PM
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I've always considered the US to be the most capitalist country in the world.
Your saying that it's hard to NOT say that the US is practicing socialism.
That's why I asked that.
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Capitalism is alive and well in the black market and on
Jan 20, 2021, 12:13 PM
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street corners. Everything else Uncle Sugar has at least a pinky in it.
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I will grant that having over half of the budget being for
Jan 20, 2021, 12:19 PM
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a wage floor does not define socialism: One might be looking at a very small budget. But we are in debt almost a half a million dollars per family, so, there you go.
So, rather than continuing with a legit response on my part and one sentence questions on yours, throw your own thoughts into it - ante up - or we'll move on. Fine either way.
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Welpsir, I don't see things in a totally binary way.
Jan 20, 2021, 12:41 PM
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Certainly there are elements of different forms of government in most governments that may not fit how they are categorized or viewed. There may for example be capitalist tendencies or elements within a socialist government.
Where I struggle is the narrative that THE US IS GOING TO BECOME A SOCIALST COUNTRY UNDER JOE BIDEN. I think that's stupid echoing of what's read on social media or heard from extreme right wing alarmists.
In terms of overall debt, is it really debt if you aren't paying it back? Is it really a budget if it's not adhered to? Food for thought.....
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Not paying it back? What do you think the holders of the
Jan 20, 2021, 3:43 PM
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bonds are getting? They get cash, plus interest. I do not see that as food for thought at all, unless you have some proposal no one has yet heard.
The debt is about double the entire US money supply at the moment, an all time high by a lot, and rising at a breakaway pace. IE, if the govt collected everything, it can pay only half the debt. The govt could pay it all off tomorrow (except that the the holders of the bonds don't have to accept payment) by writing the checks that day. It could do that. The cost would be that the value of every dollar would be cut in half. It will instead happen over the life of the debt, and continued on out as long as the govt issues more of it.
The proposal that we already are socialist is the opposite of binary. One doesn't need to know the exact line between day and night to know when its midnight. I made the case that we already are, by that non binary measure.
It appears as though you favor the left for reasons you choose to not articulate when the subject is finances and equity.
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Yeah I dunno man. Not real sure where this is headed
Jan 20, 2021, 5:31 PM
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but after this reply I'm out.
I do not favor the left, especially fiscally. I asked a few questions that for me are rhetorical. Nothing more, nothing less. Paying minimum payments doesn't really equate, IMO, to "paying it back". For me that's paying back just enough to be able to continue to borrow.
I do not feel as though we are a socialist country. And I don't think we are headed that way.
My disdain for really anything on the right pretty much starts and ends with Trump. I think he's a ########.
If we are already socialist, then I would submit that capitalism doesn't exist. I mean, we may operate in a nature considered socialist in some regards so fine. Whatever.
Good night sweet prince. Let's cover a different topic tomorrow.
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But you're not binary. Okay, my princess.
Jan 21, 2021, 12:31 AM
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JFC, Murc it's like you're OK with us walking around
Jan 20, 2021, 11:39 AM
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saying "ay" after every sentence. It's like the terrorists have already won and you are celebrating it on the corpse of the real America.
Canada ? Cannotnada
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look, this little one has been running
Jan 20, 2021, 12:12 PM
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scared for 4 years. Hope counseling works for you.
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Catch up with 7spots.
Jan 20, 2021, 11:30 AM
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It’s like chase only better.
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Re: Inauguration drinking games
Jan 20, 2021, 11:31 AM
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Shot of Tito's every time Joe stutters or mumbles... or every time Cumala nods like a section 8 ho earning 20 bucks.
Wait. Never mind. I'd be hammered within 5 minutes.
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Stoli vodka with a slice of Mandarin orange?***
Jan 20, 2021, 11:38 AM
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