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If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 9:37 AM
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here is a link to all 1,119 pages of proposed taxpayer spending...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZBKx2BQ9DlA8ohBIE7ORcdvLX8j3C9Ug/view
1584977881338_House COVID bill[699].pdf $30 million for the Kennedy Arts Center??, $300 Million for the National Endowment for the Arts and another $300 Million for the National Endowment for the Humanities?? (found on pages 77-80) Not exactly what I would call critical industries or needed funding in the COVID-19 fight. Of Course Senator Cotton has pulled out quite a bit more: 1. Corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards at companies receiving assistance 2. Bailing out all current debt of postal service 3. Required early voting 4. Required same day voter registration 5. 10k bailout for student loans 6. For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers 7. Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining 8. Full offset of airline emissions by 2025 9. Greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights 10. Retirement plans for community newspaper employees 11. $15 minimum wage at companies receiving assistance 12. Permanent paid leave at companies receiving assistance Many of those are worthy topics of debate - but not in a Coronavirus bill to help American citizens.
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Make your voices heard this November!!!
Mar 24, 2020, 9:43 AM
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At a time like this when we need for our leaders to come together, Democrats remain intent on splitting this country. Shows their true colors
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That is another way they are trying to screw us, MORE
Mar 24, 2020, 1:23 PM
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ABSENTEE VOTING!
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 9:51 AM
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You must be looking at a different list then because I'm not seeing anything in there I would support during good times, much less when your trying to supposedly save people's lives.
It is a scary freaking thought those 2 commies are anywhere around Washington.
The required same day voter registration is the one their using to basically win every election from here on. You think their using dead people to vote now, next the dead persons Cousin Javier from Guatemala will be voting in every state election from Oregon to Little River S.C.
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CU Medallion [53716]
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Exactly, and once they are elected to office, you will never
Mar 24, 2020, 3:28 PM
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remove them.
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Re: Exactly, and once they are elected to office, you will never
Mar 25, 2020, 1:42 AM
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No truer statement has every been made. It’s been a major effort to get rid of the Clinton’s. We can thank Winston Churchill’s daughter in law for the rise and success of the Clinton’s. She saw him on TV at a protest and said that man has potential if I work with. Even Lee Atwater warned us of the Clinton’s. When the Clinton’s came to Washington DC they brought a lot of slime with them. Nancy Pelosi, Diane Fienstein, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and so many more that want to destroy this country.
But if you take notice somehow they are all millionaires now. The Demstry to keep us divided by racism so we want look to closely at how they are stealing us all blind while we fight one another.
President Trump is trying to unite us all make us all successful, but the Dems keep getting in the way with lies and deceit. Wake up people now is the time to take our country back.
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 10:00 AM
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Thanks for the summation. Some I actually agree with and btw- not just the Dems. It's Republicans too. I definitely want it to explicitly state no executive pay or stock buybacks.
The airlines and cruise ships will be just fine with a month shutdown if the actual employees get paid.
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 10:20 AM
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Stock buy backs help all shareholders, not just the executives. I am not a big fan of them, but quite frankly I worry more about all of the thousands of other share holders that benefit rather than a few executives that benefit. Why does this belong in the Covid bill? IF these things have merit then they should pass in a stand-alone bill. I am sure that the Republicans do have some iffy parts of the bill they want passed too, but they seem to understand that helping businesses ultimately helps the employees. Dems think somehow that crushing the leadership and owners of companies somehow benefits the workers. That is a tough sell when a company goes bankrupt because of unreasonable red tape and demands.
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 12:31 PM
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It belongs in the CoVID bill because absent a requirement, companies are likely to do the exact same thing they did a year and a half ago with the last tax gift: lay people off and reward themselves.
Large corporations that get money from taxpayers (that is supposed to help them not lay off staff) should not instead be allowed to use that money to buy back stock.
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I'm not aware of what you're describing happening much. My
Mar 24, 2020, 1:18 PM
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company handed out large bonuses. Unemployment was at an all-time low - which implies companies didn't keep the money and lay-off a bunch of folks...
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Re: I'm not aware of what you're describing happening much. My
Mar 24, 2020, 1:58 PM
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You obviously work for a good company and probably should stick with it.
My post above really had nothing to do with politics. Debate whether or not stock buybacks are good for the workers too... Same with exec pay. No the people that this is affecting the most could careless about stocks, they need cash to buy groceries. That was my only point.
Big companies are not going to go out of business just because a few workers are out of work for 2 or 3 weeks. Big business and Boeing as trump likes to tout fold, there's another co waiting to take its place. Obsolete company go out of business.
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 25, 2020, 8:40 PM
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The Republicans presented a relatively good bill.If Pelosi and her gang were interested in the Caronavirus aspect, they could have very well worked with the (Rs) to tighten up some of the loose ends to prevent fraud, etc. There was never any intent on their part to solve the problem but to try to destroy any semblance of a solution. When they saw the public, including some Democrats, beginning to swing to Trump's defense, they began to see a little backfire. This maneuver by Polosi and her gang may come back to haunt her come election day.
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 1:32 PM
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After the crash in 2008 and the government bailout, companies used the money to buy back stock, drive up the stock prices and paid exorbitant bonuses to their executives without rehiring their employess.
It CANNOT be allowed to happen again. Whether you want to believe it or not, some of the workers that lost their jobs and significantly impacted in 2008, were just recently recovering. All this money needs to be used to keep the companies and employees whole and not artificially prop up the stock value and line the pockets of executives. The stock will come back on its on as "workers" invest.
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 2:03 PM
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Thank you. You explained it better than I ever could.
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Stock buybacks are the dumbest thing in the world
Mar 24, 2020, 2:45 PM
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Warren Buffet was a huge proponent, and some rich a-hole convinced Apple to do a lot of stock buybacks a few years ago. I prefer dividends, because the price increase you get by reducing the number of shares is ephemeral. The practice is driven by executives with stock options.
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 10:02 AM
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Disgraceful .... but par for the course. I despise both parties, as I think both are inhabited by a bunch of low life me first individuals, but the Democrats are sunk to an even lower level .... if that's possible. They think they have the president over a barrel and are trying to get all of their failed legislation passed. I am convinced that they do not care how many casualties of the Covid virus claims or how far our economy falls if they can get rid of Trump.
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 10:12 AM
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and Trump couldn’t care less how many people die as ling as his image isn’t tarnished and he can be re-elected. Trump wants to reopen the economy, ignoring all expert advice that doing so may cause the deaths of thousands more. Trump inly cares about himself. If he truly wanted what was beat for america he would shut down the country and take responsibility for his early inaction
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 10:33 AM
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Oh boy... here we go again. You TDS guys like to throw out all kinds of crazy sh*t (and that is what it is) without any type of basis in reality. You have ZERO proof that President Trump doesn't care about people dying from this disease. But we have PLENTY of proof to the contrary - what the he1l do you think he and the Cornoavirus Task Force has been doing? Do you think Trump agreed to shutting down the country in order to give everyone a vacation? No - he is doing his best to SAVE LIVES. The fact is President Trump doesn't hate anyone and has followed the expert advice of the Coronavirus Task Force every time. Dr. Fauci confirmed this during the Levin interview this weekend.
Now, President Trump is also correct in that we have to start looking at opening the country back up. There is a tipping point to where the cure can be worse than the disease and the President is correct in pointing this out. Rational people see this - emotional anti-Trump trolls just want to use it as yet another deranged talking point. Just yesterday, one of your very own - Governor Cuomo said essentially the same thing as President Trump:
"CUOMO: Remember, you studied the numbers across the countries that have been infected. The survival rate for those who have been infected is like 98%, right? A lot of people get it, very few people die from it. So how do we start to calculate that in? We implemented New York Pause, which stopped the essential workers, etc. We have to start thinking about New York Forward. And Steve Cohen and Bill Mulrow, who I've worked with for 30 years and now in the private sector, they're going to start to think about this, how do you restart or transition to a restart of the economy? And how do you dovetail that with the public health strategy? As you are identifying people who have had the virus and have resolved, can they start to go back to work? Can younger people start to go back to work because they're much more tolerant to the effect of the virus? So how do you -- you turned off the engine quickly. How do you now start or begin to restart or plan the restart of that economic engine? Separate task, but something that we have to focus on."
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 12:41 PM
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1 out of 5 need to be hospitalised. It's a no win situation. You open up the country and the virus spreads and the health care system gets overwelmed. then the percentage of people dying will raise from the approx. 2-3% to something higher like 5%. but even if its 2 % and only 1/3 of the US population gets it, that's about 100 million people. So you are looking at 2 million deaths. That's a lot of bodies.
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 8:33 PM
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you’ve really got to stop watching fox news. Trump lies constantly in his press briefings and has to get corrected by the experts moments later. Now his attention span can’t handle a long shut down so he is repeating fox news nonsense about the “cure” being worse than the virus. The US is in trouble because our leaders still aren’t taking this seriously. Thankfully our state governments are doing a better job in their approach than the federal government. Im not a fan of McMaster but he is atleast taking this seriously, unlike Trimp
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 25, 2020, 8:10 PM
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Jeez dude. Someone posts a legitimate issue regarding this legislation which makes the democrats look bad, and you come back with, "well trump...." Don't be so blindly loyal to your party. Everyone and every organizations screws up and embarrasses itself on occasion. Accept responsibility and move on. Don't dodge it or try to deflect it.
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 10:12 AM
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and Trump couldn’t care less how many people die as ling as his image isn’t tarnished and he can be re-elected. Trump wants to reopen the economy, ignoring all expert advice that doing so may cause the deaths of thousands more. Trump inly cares about himself. If he truly wanted what was beat for america he would shut down the country and take responsibility for his early inaction
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 10:36 AM
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disappointed but not surprised. and both parties are like this
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 10:38 AM
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Anything from Pelosi and not worth the paper it is written on.
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Quick, how do we claim T-Net as a Community Newspaper?***
Mar 24, 2020, 10:46 AM
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Pubs should put in $1Trillion for wall at Mexican border
Mar 24, 2020, 10:53 AM
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...to counterbalance the Dem nonsense. At least a wall would help keep out the Chinese who are flying to Mexico then illegally crossing the border into the USA.
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At the end of the day...
Mar 24, 2020, 11:20 AM
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this is nothing more than a power play by the Dems in a weak, sad, pathetic, and desperate attempt to try to back the President into a corner by forcing him to fund a bunch of programs that have absolutely nothing to do with COVID-19.
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Thing is, it isn't just pork barrel spending that is
Mar 24, 2020, 11:46 AM
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added to a bill. While deplorable, that has always happened..these bill requests are actual fundamental changes being demanded.
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and the really exasperating part is, they know it!!!
Mar 24, 2020, 1:21 PM
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That POS James Clyburn specifically said the bill was “a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision” so now they (the Dems) are holding up the relief package for a bunch of non-CoronaVirus related demands.
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Here's some more junk in the bill
Mar 24, 2020, 11:48 AM
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Page 150: $300 Million for International Disaster Relief and another $300 Million for Migrant and Refugee Assistance.
How about take that $600 Million and give it to American citizens for crying out loud.
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T-NET forum has gone downhill with all the political talk.***
Mar 24, 2020, 12:33 PM
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These scoundrels have been around forever.
Mar 24, 2020, 12:51 PM
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Ulysses Grant threatened to resign if Lincoln wouldn't do something to stop all the people trying to make a buck off the war to the detriment of his army. (See where the word "shoddy" came from.)
George Washington had the same problem: "This tribe of black gentry work more effectually against us, than the enemy's arms. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties, and the great cause we are engaged in."
Empires generally fall because of traitors within, not enemies without.
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."
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Well, it’s the ‘Art of the Deal’ right?
Mar 24, 2020, 1:49 PM
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I think I’ve seen many of those here talk about how masterful Trump is at negotiation...maybe Pelosi has learned a thing or two. In Trumps own words, you have to ‘think big’ and ‘use your leverage’. Textbook.
At the end of the day, if both sides are disappointed that’s a good thing for us.
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#1, it's not a bill to fund the Coronavirus fight
Mar 24, 2020, 2:40 PM
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This is an economic stimulus bill. Funding for NIH, CDC, hospitals, etc. is being handled by different legislation. The purpose of this bill is to inject money into the economy.
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What's #2?***
Mar 24, 2020, 3:00 PM
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#2 generally, is poop.***
Mar 24, 2020, 3:08 PM
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#2 There is some funding for CDC and hospitals
Mar 24, 2020, 3:13 PM
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$240B and $100B, respectively. A far cry from the $2B or so Trump said was too much for the CDC two weeks ago.
Democrats successfully got the Senate bill changes to give everybody making less that $75k/$150k the same $1200/$2400 bucks and got an additional $500 per kid. Like every educated American, I understand that all spending bills have to start in the House of Representatives. I don't know what the Turtle is complaining is about - he can propose and vote on a bill, but the eventual bill has to originate in the HoR.
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This is a typically boring
Mar 24, 2020, 2:56 PM
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preaching to the conservative choir of like-minded individuals kind of T-net post.
But I'm glad we're focusing back on the Democrats shortcomings than pretending the virus isn't a threat or isn't a big deal or is an election-year conspiracy. Small victories i suppose.
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Re: If you want to see the Pelosi Bill that is gumming things up
Mar 24, 2020, 3:07 PM
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They all should be held liable come election time......let’s vote their @sses right out of office .....enough is enough with their political BS......Go Tigers!!!!!
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