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Let's see if all of them were "Boogaloo extremists"***
Jun 17, 2020, 1:24 PM
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Define "them"***
Jun 17, 2020, 1:29 PM
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All victims of the riots, and the rioters***
Jun 17, 2020, 1:32 PM
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Seriously someone explain this to me.
Jun 17, 2020, 1:38 PM
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This is the second time today someone has brought up riot victims that I don't know about. Did I go through a time warp? Sleep through two weeks? I only know about the David Dorn. Or is this like a broader what about the property damage and hurt feelings kinda definition?
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FFS
Jun 17, 2020, 1:56 PM
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Chris Beaty was not a police officer and not killed by protesters. Kelly was herself a protester and to my knowledge her murderer hasn't been identified.
So yeah, try and stick to debating the merits of police reform and quit equating murdering unarmed civilians with property damage. Once again, these arguments are designed to distract from the real issue because of course you can't defend what happened to David Dorn, but nobody is trying to because it's not representative to the protests.
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So people whose property is damaged weren't victimized?
Jun 17, 2020, 1:59 PM
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People who were killed only count if they were police? What do you think "victim" means? What is the "real issue," again?
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See what I mean?
Jun 17, 2020, 2:08 PM
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###ing textbook. See how one side of the argument is like "we want to see less murdering people more protecting people out of the police" and the other side is now "but how is thatt fair if a Wendy's gets burned down?"
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I have no clue what you're talking about
Jun 17, 2020, 2:18 PM
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What the rest of us were talking about is whether the protests were entirely peaceful. Burning things down doesn't do anything to get less people killed by police.
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Re: I have no clue what you're talking about
Jun 17, 2020, 2:23 PM
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But what will get fewer people murdered by police is protesting.
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Maybe it will
Jun 17, 2020, 2:29 PM
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We weren't really talking about that, though.
About 1000 people have been killed by police for a few years now. Somewhere between 30-50 are unarmed each year. When you look at the number shot and/or killed in other countries, it's pretty clear we could do better. On the other hand, we also have a lot more violent crime than those countries, and we have a lot more people who are armed.
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He should absolutely correct himself on that murder
Jun 17, 2020, 1:35 PM
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But this doesn't show that the protests were totally peaceful, or that all the violence was caused by white supremacists.
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I don't think anybody is making that claim, but I've seen on
Jun 17, 2020, 1:38 PM
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this board and others the Tucker-parroted "WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE OVER DAVE PATRICK? I GUESS HE DOESN'T MATTER." And those posters were right...he doesn't matter, now that it was a fringe-militia instigator that killed him.
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This from the tweet you quoted suggests it:
Jun 17, 2020, 1:45 PM
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"Tucker Carlson and other Fox figures frequently mentioned Underwood's killing as proof that protests were violent"
Of course, you could argue she just meant that this particular murder doesn't prove the protests were violent. There seems to be a desire to argue that it's all of one or all of another with these protests. Yes, there was some violence, but yes, they were mostly peaceful.
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Re: I’d like to unmute myself for a moment to say
Jun 17, 2020, 2:12 PM
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I miss our substantive talks, Obed.
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I agree with camcgee.
Jun 17, 2020, 2:04 PM
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Sure, the OP may have been correct insofar as the one thing he said happened to be true. But the OP fails to prove (a) that there is life on other planets, (b) that "wogging" (some kind of activity between walking and jogging) ever rose to fad status, or (c) camcgee's points about protests not being 100% peaceful.
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This would make sense if Tucker Carlson had said that
Jun 17, 2020, 2:23 PM
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But this was just one among many instances of violence that Carlson mentioned as examples of violence during the protests and riots.
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Re: This would make sense if Tucker Carlson had said that
Jun 17, 2020, 2:43 PM
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That should make his retraction all the more painless.
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"proof that protests were violent"
Jun 17, 2020, 1:32 PM
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what kind of proof is necessary?
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Some people want to argue all the violence was unrelated
Jun 17, 2020, 1:34 PM
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Or that it was just caused by instigators. But at the same time, they also want to argue that rioting was justified because black people have been totally disenfranchised, and a whole lot of people donated to bail rioters out.
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Here's a pic of "some people"
Jun 17, 2020, 1:41 PM
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They're talking about one specific protest.
Jun 17, 2020, 1:55 PM
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That's not the same as saying none of the protests have been violent or destructive while also defending the violence and destruction.
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This is also a great example of whataboutism tactics.
Jun 17, 2020, 1:58 PM
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Because we're no longer talking about the actual topic and you're able to switch from defense, which would be impossible, to offense about some other topic.
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You're the one who changed the topic, not me
Jun 17, 2020, 2:00 PM
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Maybe stop making generalizations if you don't want specific examples.
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That's right. I'm the one who said let's see if all of them
Jun 17, 2020, 2:07 PM
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were "Boogaloo extremists", which changed the topic from someone being dead wrong to a topic where they may be right.
Your specific example didn't actually prove your point, which surprises me because you usually make way more sense than this.
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Re: Tucker to issue retraction...
Jun 17, 2020, 1:48 PM
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Besides which, does our man Tucker not get that Boogaloos apparently come in white supremacist and non-white supremacist flavors, and they're at base apolitical pure anarchists who view social unrest as a chance to give chaos a push and watch organized government fall?
From what I've read about them, anyhow, Boogaloos are against any government, be it liberal or conservative.
I'm not sure how they fit into anybody's narrative, really, except that these guys really seem to be in that "some men just want to watch the world burn" category Alfred was warning Batman about, and that's not really a political agenda as much as, well, an anti-political agenda. They really seem like one of those post-Apocalypse gangs from The Walking Dead.
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I'd never heard of them until like last week
Jun 17, 2020, 1:51 PM
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This makes it sound like they are trying to glom onto whatever this movement is because they think it's revolutionary.
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The Qanons have been pushing the big luau idea for a while.
Jun 17, 2020, 2:09 PM
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Many of them have been prepping for the race war they say has been coming for a long time.
They see this as the beginning tip off to that. Some aren't as racist as one might think; but I do think they have played way too much Call of Duty.
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They are such idiots***
Jun 17, 2020, 2:19 PM
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Huh, I thought they were primarily white supremacists
Jun 17, 2020, 2:01 PM
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looking to exploit chaos to kick off the coming race war. I'm a good 35% more sympathetic to the "watch the world burn" cause.
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They aren't all white supremacists.***
Jun 17, 2020, 2:12 PM
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Or at least it's not a requirement.***
Jun 17, 2020, 2:56 PM
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Boogaloos.
Jun 17, 2020, 2:12 PM
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Easily. They aren't stoned, and they are fully intent and mostly capable of completing their prophecy. I've met a few of those dudes. Their whole mindset is shifted a few steps right of most reasonable people. The ones I have met aren't necessarily racist; they seem like preppers who have gone the extra mile to stock up enough ammo to last through a pretty detailed fire fight.
Honestly, they scare me a little.
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