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Heisman Winner [137205]
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I have a question that must have an overly obvious
Jan 4, 2021, 8:50 AM
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"you're an idiot" type of answer since I've never really seen it asked or answered: if you're Rudy or Sidney Powell or anybody else on Trump's legal team, why wouldn't you release stone-cold proof of fraud to the public? The complaint since getting tossed from court repeatedly is that the courts didn't SEE any of this infallible proof because most of the filings were being tossed because of lack of standing. But they HAVE the proof. They just aren't allowed to present it. Millions of people believe this.
So why not release it? You can't change it or make it disappear if you're Biden or liberals or judges or the Deep State. If it's factual, then let the public see it, and force the courts to take properly-filed cases. The evidence doesn't cease to exist or become invalidated if released prior to going to court. Obviously, I believe we all know why this isn't being done, but I was just curious if I was missing something about why his legal team wouldn't/won't share any of the evidence they claim to have.
An example (I think) would be the Arbery case. The two investigators/murderers weren't going to be charged, until a prosecutor released the video of what actually happened. Yeah, or nah? Am I missing something?
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Oculus Spirit [93158]
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I've seen at least four hearings which were many hrs long...
Jan 4, 2021, 9:06 AM
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with evidence of mass voter/election fraud presented. I honestly do not know why you haven't seen them. That's something you'll have to work on for yourself.
Do you think the 100+ house members and dozen or so senators are making this up? Doesn't that give you pause that they would raise such a ruckus without justification?
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Yes, they absolutely would, and you're perfectly aware of
Jan 4, 2021, 9:09 AM
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why they would and are doing so. The consequences of NOT supporting Trump are pretty obvious.
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Oculus Spirit [93158]
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Have you taken the position that nothing is going to...
Jan 4, 2021, 9:16 AM
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change your mind? Have you forgotten about the IP firm's report on the 22 dominion machines in Antrim Co, MI which showed that the machines flipped Trump votes to Biden?
Imo, I'm piszing up a rope here. The left is even more obstinate than me.
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Heisman Winner [137205]
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Have you done even an ounce of research on that "IP firm",
Jan 4, 2021, 9:19 AM
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when they were founded, where they came from, etc.? If you have, and you still believe that there's anything legitimate about them, then it's not me in the obstinate role.
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are you suggesting he backtrace their IP?***
Jan 4, 2021, 9:35 AM
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Heisman Winner [137205]
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He's already been reported to the cyberpolice.
Jan 4, 2021, 9:43 AM
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Unfortunately for CT1988, the consequences will never be the same.
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Oculus Spirit [93158]
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The firm is based in Texas and was the firm which...
Jan 4, 2021, 9:51 AM
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advised Texas to reject Dominion machines. I'm guessing they have certification in at least Texas and the judge who order the 22 dominion machines exam in Antrim Co must have accepted the credentials.
I remember posting a report from that firm and someone asking why the man testifying stated his credentials as if it was strange that a professional witness would assume that everyone accepted his testimony without qualification. I was ridiculed for him stating his qualifications.
The firm is credible. The report is accurate. Dominion flipped votes. It take one naive mo fo to think that's the only 22 machines which corrupted the voting results. That's the only 22 which have been examined so far.
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Legend [16035]
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Antrim County Trump voters must be illiterate.
Jan 4, 2021, 10:12 AM
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Considering there was a paper copy of their vote provided that Dominion supposedly changed on them, and not a single voter noticed this before having it scanned in and officially tallied, well that's on them. Seriously. Days after that "official" report was introduced Antrim County conducted a complete hand recount of the printed ballots and found, wait for it, a 12-vote difference out of 14,000 or so (these are indisputable facts btw), clearly disproving any attempt at a massive vote subversion campaign, unless of course Antrim County's Trump voters are as dumb as rocks and can't read, which, based on some of the comments I see here from Camp Trump, might be plausible.
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Re: Have you taken the position that nothing is going to...
Jan 4, 2021, 11:40 AM
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change your mind? Have you forgotten about the IP firm's report on the 22 dominion machines in Antrim Co, MI which showed that the machines flipped Trump votes to Biden?
Imo, I'm piszing up a rope here. The left is even more obstinate than me.
The Atrim incident was the result of an error by the county clerk. She has since admitted the error. And it has been debunked to death but people still believe it. Here is the account of what and why it happened. Further, it's important to know that the Dominion machines in Atrim were NOT connected to the internet.
The CEO of Dominion, testifying under oath before the Michigan Senate Oversight Committee:
"In Antrim, a solidly Republican county in northern Michigan, initial unofficial results sent to the state and disseminated to the public showed Democrat Joe Biden winning more county votes than Republican President Donald Trump.
The results were soon corrected, showing Trump beat Biden in Antrim by about 4,000 votes out of about 16,000 cast. Trump won 91% of the mostly smaller Michigan counties that use Dominion voting equipment, state records show.
Poulos said, as state and county officials have repeatedly said earlier, that the initial error was the result of a mistake the Republican county clerk made when she updated ballot information placed on memory cards in the vote tabulators, after learning candidate names had been inadvertently omitted. Instead of updating the cards in all tabulators, as she should have, Guy only updated the memory cards used in tabulators in the affected precincts. Because the ballot information in the various tabulators no longer matched, numbers were transposed and inaccurately reported when the candidate numbers from the various precincts were combined to compile the unofficial results.
Poulos added a new element, saying the mistake in updating the ballot information should have been detected through pre-election testing. But the county either forgot to conduct that testing or conducted it too early, before the ballot information was updated to add the names of missing candidates, he said.
Republican Lisa Posthumus Lyons, the Kent County clerk and former attorney general Bill Schuette's running mate in the 2018 election for governor, said the testimony from Poulos "puts to rest the false claims of tabulator manipulation in the November election."
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/15/dominion-voting-ceo-antrim-county/3906017001/
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Letterman [257]
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Everything you posted has been proven false.
Jan 4, 2021, 9:14 AM
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And yes, the 100+ members are essentially making this up. There’s a reason they used the words “allegations of fraud” instead of “evidence of fraud” in their statement. They are not objecting because there is clear evidence of widespread fraud. Besides the reality that they are objecting for political theater and to pander to Trumps base, they say they are objecting because they want an audit done to see if there is any fraud, not because of evidence already presented.
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Oculus Spirit [93158]
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110%er [7110]
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Great, now I want to watch The Flight Attendant.
Jan 4, 2021, 9:34 AM
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And yes, yes it absolutely can you very stable genius. Those tickers on the bottom aren't official and you can have human error in the reporting. Also, there are cases like your so called evidence in Antrim where changes to the ballot lead to it being incorrectly read. I love it when you post examples of the election working exactly as intended and authorities finding and correcting errors.
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Oculus Spirit [93158]
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You're full of chit.
Jan 4, 2021, 9:56 AM
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The vote tallies are transmitted to a server which tallies the votes, distributes that tally to edison which in turn sends the data to publishers like NYT, CNN, Fox and others. No human has control over that unless they mess with the tallies at the server level. Everything else is mechanical and executed by machine.
Your ignorance is astounding. You don't belong in a conversation with adults.
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110%er [7110]
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Oculus Spirit [93158]
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You say that as a joke, but yeah I might.
Jan 4, 2021, 12:24 PM
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My work computer won't even let me go to the site so I'll have to take your word for it. Just to be clear, that's the guy who ran for Congress in Texas that confused Minnesota for Michigan in a separate conspiracy theory?
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Alright guys, that's enough
Jan 4, 2021, 9:35 AM
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CT88 is obviously onto us, no point in Gas lighting him any more.
You are right, Trump won and the Election was Stolen from him. Unfortunately there is nothing you can do now, it is too late. There may have been targeting on that last play, but we have already run another play since so it is no longer reviewable.
sorry bud, time to move on.
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Letterman [257]
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The CNN ticker is not official. Also who knows if that
Jan 4, 2021, 9:54 AM
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even a real clip or not. Given what other “evidence” the Trumpsters have supplied, there’s a good chance that’s been doctored.
You’re a sucker and a moron
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Oculus Spirit [93158]
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...clip isn't real?
Jan 4, 2021, 12:07 PM
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And I'm labeled a conspiracy theorist.
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Letterman [257]
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Trumpeters have shared other doctored videos, so yes.
Jan 4, 2021, 12:33 PM
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Don’t know if it is or not, and don’t care, CNN’s tv show isn’t an official ballot count. They recounted Georgia 3 times including by hand and didn’t find any fraud. You’re not only a conspiracy theorist, you’re also a sucker and a moron.
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I watched one. It was given by a firearms instructor from
Jan 4, 2021, 9:54 AM
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Texas and was a statistical analysis of vote results, and the voting machines. It was held in a hotel ballroom. I kept watching for the evidence. The smoking gun. The audio of a call, the letter, the emails, the text messages, the anything, and there was nothing. No proof. A bunch of circumstantial evidence used to create doubt, which is not sufficient to overturn election results. It is enough to let a criminal go free though.
The burden of proof here was on Trump to prove fraud occurred. He failed to do that. It wasn't to sow doubt in the results. It's not like a dozen or more courts, with his appointees, have also failed to see proof. It isn't there. The guy is a fraud and is gaslighting away. I can only hope America learns a good lesson here with Trump. Lesser countries have fallen to the likes of Trump.
But aside from all of this, his record speaks for itself. He has failed to deliver almost every big promise he's made. Deficit is higher than ever, and was pre-covid. Our debt is higher than ever, and was pre-covid. He never got his wall built with a GOP Congress, even. He hasn't slowed illegal immigration. He hasn't fixed our trade deficit. Those were collectively his biggest promises. Beyond what he can accomplish with the stroke of a pen, he has failed to produce ANY results accomplishing anything that has to do with dealing with other people (ie. leadership). Even in his own party. #### poor leadership, politics again notwithstanding.
None of this makes Joe Biden a better choice. But, it does perhaps make him a less worse choice. Most of Trump's supporters are like men in love. They put their lady on a pedestal, believe everything she says, and refuse to see her for what everyone else in your life sees her as. Then, eventually, you find her in bed with a 4-sum, two of whom are your friends. Then you look at her objectively and realize you screwed up royally. That's what is/will happen to many republicans. You can accept it for what it is and move on, cut your losses, and learn from your mistakes, or crash and burn. Follow Trump and you WILL crash and burn. The man RAN the executive branch, for four years, and still can't find leadership who will fall on the sword of his BS. If he wanted to prove voter fraud, he has the resources. And not a firearms instructor from Texas in a hotel ballroom, but federal agents, state agents, and law enforcement, at his disposal, and members of his own party, and even they will not bow to him because they have integrity.
This is kind of how you go from a Weimar government to Nazis. From a republic, to Mao. From a tsar to Lenin. Populist come to power, tell everyone what they want to hear, and then they're off to the races with their power-trip.
I'm not going to change your mind. Wouldn't pretend to. But two wrongs do not make a right. An authoritarian narcissist does not balance out a socialist legislature. It just doesn't, won't, and can't. Trump sold America on Trump, not on ideology, or anything else. Clinton didn't make us socialist. Bush didn't fix things with his "new tone". Obama didn't turn us into communists. And Trump didn't turn us into Nazis. What they all did, though, is what they didn't do. They all failed to persuade people. They failed to bring us together. They have failed to remind us that in the big picture, in our system as designed, THEY DON'T MATTER. Humility is missing, and that's an essential piece towards effective leadership. In our system, our democratic republic.
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Great 2020 icon...***
Jan 4, 2021, 12:10 PM
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Credit - Beefsteak and buddybook
Jan 4, 2021, 1:23 PM
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Couldn't pass up the opportunity.
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what would be stone-cold proof? A tape of someone
Jan 4, 2021, 9:19 AM
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encouraging voter fraud, and making a thinly veiled threat? Would that work?
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All-In [26968]
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I don't know what they are saying about evidence
Jan 4, 2021, 9:21 AM
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I have not watched any videos or read anything about what they have said. If they have big evidence of some kind, they should have presented it already and charges should have already been filed by law enforcement.
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Re: I have a question that must have an overly obvious
Jan 4, 2021, 9:46 AM
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Trump has not come even close to proving his case. Even FOX is looking askance at the allegations. I absolutely believe the GOP Congressmen who are objecting to the Electors are doing this for purely political purposes.They know full well this effort has zero chance of succeeding.
If the roles were reversed and the flimsy "evidence" being presented were being presented by the Dems, I doubt many if any in the GOP would be anything but outraged.
Trump is so selfish in demonizing the GA election results that he may well suppress the GOP turnout and end up leaving us with Schumer as Senate Majority Leader.
Come January 20th, Trump is out of the White House. His actions post election will probably lead to the Dems pulling the same type of stunt in the future. Stacey Abrams and Trump share some things in common. They're both sore losers, never let go of a grievance and are fat. Maybe NBC can create another show for the duo.
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