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Merrill Hodge just said that Johnny Football will be
Mar 20, 2014, 11:31 AM
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a huge bust, and is not worthy of even a round three grade. Makes terrible decisions and his style of play will not successfully translate to the NFL. He said in all his 30+ years of playing in the NFL and analyzing film, the best picks in the draft are Khalil Mack and Sammy Watkins.
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Junkie [569]
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Said Clowney is overrated as well******
Mar 20, 2014, 11:36 AM
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I'm not sure overrated is the word I would use....
Mar 20, 2014, 11:58 AM
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to describe Clowney but there are some serious questions/concerns regarding his reliability, effort, and work eithic or the lack thereof.
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^^^ This ^^^ *
Mar 20, 2014, 12:55 PM
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he is M Vick imo
Mar 20, 2014, 11:37 AM
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might do well at first but D's will crush him later.
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Not even
Mar 20, 2014, 11:46 AM
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Vick was much faster and had a much stronger arm. And, he was about 6' or 6'1 so 2-3 inches taller than Johnny as well.
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Re: Not even
Mar 20, 2014, 12:13 PM
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So Johnny is 5'9"? Better let the NFL teams know because he measured 5' 11 3/4" at the combine and was the only QB they did not round his height up to an even number so he should be listed at 6'. Tajh was measured at 6' 3/4" and was rounded up to 6'1".
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Junkie [569]
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6'1 - 5'11 = 2 inches
Mar 20, 2014, 12:51 PM
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I'm hoping you're just having a bad day.
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Hahaha, +1***
Mar 20, 2014, 1:17 PM
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Re: 6'1 - 5'11 = 2 inches
Mar 20, 2014, 2:49 PM
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No, you said Vick was 6' or 6'1" so if he is 6' and Johnny's height would have been rounded up as was heights for players such as Tajh, as I noted, he would have also been 6'. 6' = 6' same height as Vick according to you : "Vick was much faster and had a much stronger arm. And, he was about 6'".
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Re: 6'1 - 5'11 = 2 inches
Mar 20, 2014, 3:51 PM
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Wouldn't matter if Johnny ######## was 6-4 he still would not make it as an NFL QB.
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Oh I'm so sorry
Mar 20, 2014, 4:15 PM
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He's only 1.75 inches taller. MY mistake. Lol. GTFO.
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Re: Oh I'm so sorry
Mar 20, 2014, 10:05 PM
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If your gonna try to be a smart a$$ make sure your math is right... idiot.
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Great math example but Vick - Johnny = 0.25 which is what
Mar 21, 2014, 11:00 AM
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I think you were trying to reason out. Vick is 6'-0" and Johnny is 5'-11 3/4". And for what its worth, I don't think that Johnny height will be the biggest issue he will need to overcome in the NFL.
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I wish those Double D's in your sig would crush me***
Mar 20, 2014, 1:00 PM
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And he's 100% correct. Johnny, like Tebow, will go
Mar 20, 2014, 11:38 AM
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down as one of the great COLLEGE QBs. He doesn't have that strong of an arm and half his game is running. He'll get broke in half doing that in the NFL.
With that said, I guess that means Cleveland will draft him.
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Re: And he's 100% correct. Johnny, like Tebow, will go
Mar 20, 2014, 12:18 PM
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He will also have an NFL offensive line to protect him as well. Unlike Tebow, the majority of Manziels runs were scrambles because his protection broke down and not designed runs like what Tajh was doing all year. Hodge and the likes of him and Jaworski cannot except that the NFL QB mold is changing and still want to think they are the best talents to ever grace the league.
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Whoa, you're the OC at both Clemson and TA&M?
Mar 20, 2014, 1:50 PM
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I had no idea you called the plays for both teams. Very impressive!
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Nice try. A&M's O-line wasn't horrible for the 2 years
Mar 20, 2014, 2:02 PM
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Manziel was there. Running is at least half his game. I'm not saying he'll be a total bust, but he certainly doesn't warrant a first-round pick, imo.
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Re: Nice try. A&M's O-line wasn't horrible for the 2 years
Mar 20, 2014, 2:56 PM
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No their line was very good all season. The defense will be better but no matter how good his line was at A&M the NFL o-line will be better as well so in my opinion those are going to cancel each other out. I just don't think he is going to get crushed by d-linemen all the time like some believe. He may struggle passing against a back field of NFL DB's or not have lucky completions where the WR goes up and gets the ball like Mike Evans has done for him but he will have more success than Tebow.
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Sorta
Mar 20, 2014, 2:33 PM
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They weren't "designed" runs, but they weren't drop-back pocket pass plays where he scrambled for his life. A&M wisely played into his ability by dropping back and having him move out of the pocket giving him the chance to scramble and either run or find an open guy.
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Doesn't matter. Speed in the NFL is a whole different level
Mar 20, 2014, 2:58 PM
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He'd still be fast, but not as fast as he was in college. Only takes a few good hits from an NFL defender to ruin your day.
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Hodge doesn't get caught up in hype...
Mar 20, 2014, 11:44 AM
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He assesses based how they project in the NFL
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Re: Merrill Hodge just said that Johnny Football will be
Mar 20, 2014, 11:56 AM
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I competely agree, but a friend of mine who is a former Clemson and NFL Lineman thinks he will be great and has said he would have loved to block for him.
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Junkie [569]
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Merrill was actually saying quite the opposite
Mar 20, 2014, 12:02 PM
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Said with his style of play he will get sacked very frequently in the NFL, making his O-line look bad because they will be blocking longer than they would with a traditional pocket passer. This would have a negative impact on their stats and stamina and Hodge said if the defense didn't annihilate Johnny then his own O-line would.
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I tend to agree, in college he could run around and
Mar 2, 2022, 8:14 PM
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improvise but in the NFL he is going to have to work to learn schemes and what to do and when and play within the system. This is not your Fran Tarkenton NFL any more.
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And in all my 30+ years
Mar 20, 2014, 12:42 PM
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NFL "Experts" are more wrong than right. QB is clearly a position that NO ONE knows who will succeed. The list of successful NFL QB's that were not highly rated by the Merle (intentional) Hodges of the world reads like War & Peace. A list of "Can't miss" QB's that have been a disaster is as long as Spurrier's tab at the local tavern.
Let's let the pro teams decide for themselves and stop giving Bozo The Great and his tribe of Idiots undue legitimacy.
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Re: And in all my 30+ years
Mar 20, 2014, 1:11 PM
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Those same idiots said that Wilson wouldn't make it in the NFL b/c he was tooooooo short!!!
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Many, if not most experts said Phillip Rivers would bust
Mar 20, 2014, 1:21 PM
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Big and slow with a funky delivery.
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But he was a pocket-passer. And your odds of making it
Mar 20, 2014, 2:08 PM
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with that style in the NFL is much better than being a runner.
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Okay, then as stated by earlier poster, ie Russell Wilson.
Mar 20, 2014, 2:47 PM
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Just saying that "experts" are frequently wrong.
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Re: Okay, then as stated by earlier poster, ie Russell Wilson.
Mar 20, 2014, 4:19 PM
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Yes sir, and the word Experts always leaves me with, oh really. Its laughable at best when describing talking heads or just insinuating that talking heads are EXPERTS. Those of us that are addicted to college FB are more of an expert of individual players than the talking heads could ever be. Most talking heads only repeat what they hear knowledgeable people say about what ever sport, while adding their personal twist to it. Without pointing a finger, we have a blogger at T-Net that does that same thing.
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I simply said experts are frequently wrong ...
Mar 21, 2014, 10:20 PM
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... which they are.
They were wrong about Phillip Rivers.
You said that didn't count.
So, I said, well okay, then they were wrong about Russell Wilson.
Now, you say that doesn't count either. Nor Drew Brees if I should choose to bring him up, LOL.
Okay what about Ryan Leaf? Demarcus Russell? Heath Schuler? Andre Ware?
And those are just a few QBs the experts were wrong about.
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I've said it before that howie manziel is an injury waiting
Mar 20, 2014, 2:38 PM
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to happen and will be an expensive stationary-bike rider if anyone picks him. He wouldnt last 2 mos in real games and his real asset was the folks that caught his passes.
Clowney could be special but he's too arrogant to try and see.
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Re: Merrill Hodge just said that Johnny Football will be
Mar 20, 2014, 9:46 PM
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Johnny Football could not throw it into the ocean standing knee deep!
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Re: Merrill Hodge just said that Johnny Football will be
Mar 20, 2014, 9:58 PM
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I think he passes the ball pretty well but maybe that's why no one pays for my opinion!
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Re: Merrill Hodge just said that Johnny Football will be
Mar 21, 2014, 9:11 AM
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Said that you can't win with Tebow either. He also said Brian Brohm would be better than Aaron Rodgers
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Loved hearing him say the truth. Manziel might be 4th or 5th
Mar 21, 2014, 12:16 PM
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QB in reality. His vacant-lot antics will be a joke in the pros. Bortles, Bridgewater, Boyd, and (pick random qb) should be the qb order, though Bridgewater isn't as good as Boyd in my biased mind.
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Re: Loved hearing him say the truth. Manziel might be 4th or 5th
Mar 21, 2014, 10:08 PM
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Hahahahahahahaa
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Running 5WR set with mostly vertical routes
Mar 21, 2014, 2:28 PM
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Isn't necessarily a designed run play. It is more of a "probably best if you run it" play. Especially when he had all day to decide behind the monsters on his OL.
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Re: Merrill Hodge just said that Johnny Football will be
Mar 21, 2014, 11:19 PM
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Johnny football is a thug. I dont see him being a NFL style QB, but I have been wrong before.
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So does this mean
Mar 22, 2014, 12:04 AM
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I won't get to see Johnny Jumpball attempt a pass? But if you surround him with 7'0 tall wr he could just do his ballerina moves and heave a pass 50 yards or so(max distance?) down the middle of the field in to traffic. That's the style they need to adopt, "Johnny Jumpball Air Raid" takes the nfl by storm.
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