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Betsy DeVos confirmed
Feb 7, 2017, 12:46 PM
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Change we can believe in? Let's hope it's the kind of change that gives more control over education to localities, and that makes the education system less beholden to the union-corrupted educational establishment.
I also hope she makes some major changes in the department's Officer of Civil Rights. They went completely off the rails in their interpretation of Title IX in regards to guidance to universities on sexual assault and to sex separate facilities in schools.
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New OC at Bama?***
Feb 7, 2017, 12:48 PM
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And end the reign of terror grizzly bears have had over our
Feb 7, 2017, 12:50 PM
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schools.
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The freak out over that was "binders of women" level stupid***
Feb 7, 2017, 1:04 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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I really don't care.
Feb 7, 2017, 1:25 PM
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It's the definition of cronyism.
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Re: Betsy DeVos confirmed
Feb 7, 2017, 12:50 PM
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As if we didn't have enough people at the state department and Dept. of Ed who have never seen a classroom since they graduated.
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How much teaching experience did Arne Duncan have?
Feb 7, 2017, 1:21 PM
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Not that he did a great job (in fact, the Department of Ed. wasted billions of dollars on what was supposed to be their signature program: https://www.aei.org/publication/greatest-failure-in-history-us-department-of-education/), but it doesn't he appear he was ever a teacher, either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arne_Duncan
John King, who was Secretary of Education from 2016 to 2017, was also never a teacher as far as I can tell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_King_Jr.
It doesn't appear Margaret Spellings was ever a teacher: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Spellings
So George W. Bush's first Secretary of Education (from 2001-2005), Rod Paige, seems to have been the last Secretary to have been a classroom teacher: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Paige
I'd assumed that when I saw all the complaints from people about DeVos never having been a teacher that it was unusual, but it seems like it's actually more unusual for a Secretary of Education to have been a classroom teacher. Maybe that's a problem, but a lot of the complaints about her now seem at least a little disingenuous to me.
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I think most people
Feb 7, 2017, 1:23 PM
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would hope that eventually we would get one that has been in the classroom.
Like you said, it's been awhile since we have had a teacher as DOED
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Forget being a teacher. SHE'S NEVER HAD A REAL JOB PERIOD
Feb 7, 2017, 9:46 PM
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All she's ever done is be born into wealth, marry into even more wealth, and serve on boards and committees. She has never known one ounce of struggle and she proved during the confirmation process that she knew next to nothing about the education methodologies and theory. On top of being woefully incompetent in the critical subject matter in question, she also proved to be a spineless coward. She was noncommittal when discussing black and white issues such as keeping guns out of schools and holding voucher/charter schools to the same standards as public schools. Her confirmation is a joke and Republicans should be ashamed. All this has proved to the American people is that cabinet positions can be bought and paid for with massive donations. A great message to send our kids. Thanks, DJT and the Republican Establishment.
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Re: Forget being a teacher. SHE'S NEVER HAD A REAL JOB PERIOD
Feb 7, 2017, 9:47 PM
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yes and Obama did the same thing and spied on Americans and his DOJ was a joke
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She's the debil. We need more riots!!***
Feb 7, 2017, 12:51 PM
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Burn some more Starbucks?***
Feb 7, 2017, 1:04 PM
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Jokes on you. Starbucks coffee is already burnt.***
Feb 7, 2017, 1:13 PM
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Harumph***
Feb 7, 2017, 1:25 PM
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Tried reforming education through a successful outsider
Feb 7, 2017, 1:04 PM
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when Greenville county brought in a very successful army general to be superintendent.
Teachers hated him but it was the parents ran him out of town
Arguably Zais was a similar type of "reformer" and he managed to #### off everyone on both sides and didn't fix a #### thing.
My biggest concern is she wants tax money spent on for-profit K-12 options (including some her family has interests in) and all that did at the college level, including her boss' Trump University, was rip people off.
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We're talking about charter schools, right?
Feb 7, 2017, 1:07 PM
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That's a different thing from Trump University, which wasn't really a university at all. DeVos, at the very least, has been working in education reform for years. It's not as if she's a former army general. And parents generally favor school choice.
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Not to mention that tax money for charter schools...
Feb 7, 2017, 1:21 PM
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isn't really a federal issue in the first place. She can promote it and work to keep the feds from banning it, but it's mainly all decided at the state and local level.
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Unregulated charters schools very likely won't be
Feb 7, 2017, 1:26 PM
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real schools either.
I did hear an encouraging interview with the senior senator from OK on NPR this morning that stressed her focus would be on letting states and local school boards decide how the choices were implemented.
Has she really worked in school reform or just thrown money at it? I really don't know.
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I don't think she's for unregulated charters***
Feb 7, 2017, 1:32 PM
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She doesn't want charter schools receiving federal and state
Feb 7, 2017, 1:40 PM
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tax dollars to be held to the same reporting and visibility requirements of public schools. That's no small crossover into "unregulated".
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She has activity lobbied for the deregulation of charters
Feb 7, 2017, 1:47 PM
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"Reville says DeVos has favored school choice without much regulation. He said it has led to chaos in Michigan schools.
“She’s in favor of giving the money to the individuals, and letting the individuals take the money to the best school that they can find. [Government officials] don’t regulate it with respect to whether its for profit or not, don’t regulate it with respect to whether it’s a religious school or not, so you can have private schools, parochial schools, public schools,” Reville said. “It’s kind of the wild west.”
Reville said while DeVos is pushing for deregulation and school vouchers, most Michigan voters are opposed to them, and the push-back isn’t limited to partisan politics."
http://news.wgbh.org/2016/12/08/local-news/betsy-devos-advocated-school-choice-michigan-schools-there-are-wild-west
One of hundreds of hits when you search for devos deregulation charter schools
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This isn't really deregulation...
Feb 7, 2017, 2:45 PM
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What Reville describes sounds like exactly what should be happening. Parents should be able to choose the best schools for their kids, whether they're private, parochial, or public. What most people are referring to when they say that DeVos doesn't want charter schools regulated was her lobbying against a particular oversight panel that was part of the Michigan charter school law that would've had the power to open, close, and locate charter schools. But the panel would've been appointed by the Mayor of Detroit, who banned charters from buying any vacant schools that were within a mile of a traditional public school. Charters also would be judged based on whether the district's enrollment stabilized or increased in five years, which would likely keeping charters from enrolling kids in the absence of a population boom.
In fact, when the Michigan law was being passed, DeVos and her organization pushed for independent accountability for charters through the state's School Reform Office. She wanted schools rated on an A-F basis, default closure for the lowest performing charters, and standards for charter authorization that would encourage incentives to be aligned with creating good schools.
Unfortunately, only one side of this story is usually told in reports about DeVos, and not surprisingly, it's the side being told by unions and charter opponents.
https://www.the74million.org/article/analysis-what-the-media-has-gotten-wrong-about-betsy-devos-and-detroits-schools
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Touche -
Feb 7, 2017, 2:38 PM
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but that is the fault of the local school board and their funding formula, not federal policy.
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That girl is poisoooonn..***
Feb 7, 2017, 1:13 PM
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Never trust a big butt and a smile***
Feb 7, 2017, 1:28 PM
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Don't really have much comment on DeVos in particular
Feb 7, 2017, 1:32 PM
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(I really don't know anything about her. I read the quip about grizzly bears.)
I like the idea of having someone with a lot of experience in education heading the education department. But there needs to be some CEO-type leadership skill as well, because that's a large department. Might be difficult to come up with someone who has both.
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Federal agencies shouldn't be run like businesses.
Feb 7, 2017, 1:45 PM
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Aside from having been in a leadership position, I'm not sure how being the CEO of anything qualifies someone to run a government agency.
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I'm just thinking in terms of delegation.
Feb 7, 2017, 1:48 PM
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It's a big department, with a lot of things going on. Most everything will be delegated, which means a big part of DeVos's job is to put the right people doing the right things.
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