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For the rules experts..
Nov 9, 2015, 12:22 PM
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How was the tackle on Dalvin Cook's touchdown run called a personal foul, but the tackle on Ray Ray McCloud near the end of the half when the defender pulled him down by the head not?
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judgement?***
Nov 9, 2015, 12:23 PM
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Re: judgement?***
Nov 9, 2015, 12:25 PM
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Some really BAD judgement
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it happens.***
Nov 9, 2015, 12:28 PM
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Re: For the rules experts..
Nov 9, 2015, 12:28 PM
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It looked to me like the Cook tackle was a house horse collar. The tackle on RR was definitely not a face mask.
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If that was called a horsecollar
Nov 9, 2015, 12:31 PM
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Then it was both wrong, and wrongly called on the field as it was called a dead-ball penalty.
The tackle on Ray Ray was not a facemask
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The only thing it could've been is a horse collar tackle.
Nov 9, 2015, 12:34 PM
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And if you watch the replay it was indeed a horse collar. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the ACC clowns officiated it incorrectly, but it was a penalty one way or another.
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Re: The only thing it could've been is a horse collar tackle.
Nov 9, 2015, 12:39 PM
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horse collar is when you grab the back of the shoulder pads, Tankersley wrapped his arms completely around Cook. It definitely wasn't a horse collar.
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Re: The only thing it could've been is a horse collar tackle.
Nov 9, 2015, 12:43 PM
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Is there a new definition of horse-collar I'm not aware of??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse-collar_tackle
"The horse-collar tackle is an American football maneuver in which a defender tackles another player by grabbing the back collar and or the back-inside of an opponent's shoulder pads and pulling the ball carrier directly downward in order to pull his feet from underneath him."
I don't see his hands anywhere near the back collar nor the back inside of the shoulder pads:
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T&C - respectfully TOTALLY disagree. NOT a horse collar
Nov 9, 2015, 3:14 PM
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by ANY stretch.
You can see both of our guy's hands on the FRONT of the semihole player as he is pulled down.
And that is the same perspective the ref had as he threw the flag.
And it was called a dead ball personal foul . . . but the flag was thrown while the play was still happening.
Flagged very much DURING the play.
No where near a horse collar as seen from the flagging officials perspective.
Called a dead ball personal foul.
What the Magillacutty ? ? ?
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Re: If that was called a horsecollar
Nov 9, 2015, 12:40 PM
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the final act or penalty happened as dalvin crossed the goal at which point the clock stops and i'd imagine the why it's called a dead ball penalty?
just spit ballin' here of course.
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Then it's just a blown call
Nov 9, 2015, 12:42 PM
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Because you have to actually grab the pads (inside the jersey) for it to be a horsecollar. The defender has his hand on the shoulder/neck. Bad call
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idk, the action started at the 5-6 and dragging DC down
Nov 9, 2015, 12:47 PM
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backwards from the shoulder pad created the call.
it was a dead ball though.
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Re: If that was called a horsecollar
Nov 9, 2015, 12:47 PM
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Bad angle...look at my pic above yours...hands were on the shoulder the entire time.
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yours is on the five yard line, soon after CT drops the left
Nov 9, 2015, 12:57 PM
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then drags dalvin down backwards as the right falls back on the shoulder.
for the record, my response was directed at the reason for dead ball call, but it's not hard to see at full speed why the horsecollar could be called.
i'd be interested if this is one of the plays/calls that makes its way to the ACC office for purposes of clarity/review.
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Re: yours is on the five yard line, soon after CT drops the left
Nov 9, 2015, 1:04 PM
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I can see from the wrong angle how it'd be a call, definitely. Full speed from the original angle, did look like one...the replay IMO, it looks like he just had his hand on his upper shoulder and pulled him down (not utilizing the jersey neck opening, nor the back of the pads)
Really doesn't matter as much, as it happened in the end zone so didn't affect the TD.
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yeah, i didn't have an issue with either part of the call.
Nov 9, 2015, 1:10 PM
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it's a player safety issue[letter of the law collar or no, the hand was "there"] which is a hot point and i'd hope gallman[or any] would get the same the way it unfolded.
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Re: yeah, i didn't have an issue with either part of the call.
Nov 9, 2015, 1:20 PM
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I personally didnt think either one was a penalty but if you call one i think you have to call the other. IMO the tackle on ray ray was more dangerous than the one on DC.
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fine, it was a dead ball call, which is what i offered.
Nov 9, 2015, 1:25 PM
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right, wrong or indifferent you guys have at it, but one call does not mandate another.
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looks on the collar to me.***
Nov 9, 2015, 12:58 PM
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Re: looks on the collar to me.***
Nov 9, 2015, 1:01 PM
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That's his upper shoulder...horse collar is on the back collar. He's not grabbing and pulling at the neck opening in either of those, hand is just pressing/pulling back on the shoulder area.
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i know a horse collar can include the side according to
Nov 9, 2015, 1:23 PM
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Article 15[?], just not sure what constitutes "all of the side", but it's not just the "back" collar - jersey or pad.
again, i'm really not that worried about the call as the action, the backwards knee buckle and relative position created it.
player safety is kewl by me and CT could have avoided it.
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It wasn't
Nov 9, 2015, 1:05 PM
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I thought we were called for off sides on that play.
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There were two fouls, second assessed on the kick off***
Nov 9, 2015, 1:06 PM
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Re: It wasn't
Nov 9, 2015, 1:09 PM
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They did call that one...penalty was declined. Then they stated after the play was over, personal foul on the defense...penalty to be instated on the kickoff.
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LOL. You guys that can't even admit that that was a
Nov 9, 2015, 3:10 PM
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horse collar tackle (or at least #### close enough to call in real time without still frame analysis) are realllly kool-aid drinking homers.
It's not like it mattered anyway.
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It was not, by rule, a horsecollar
Nov 9, 2015, 7:10 PM
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Of course i could've been called in real time (mistakenly), but adding to the confusion is that it was not announced as a live-ball foul which is what the horsecollar would've been.
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Re: LOL. You guys that can't even admit that that was a
Nov 9, 2015, 7:26 PM
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Technically, a horse collar tackles requires 1 of 2 things:
1) gabbing at the opening of the jersey (typically at the back) and using it to pull the guy down
2) grabbing at the shoulderpads in the back to pull the guy down
Does it take still frame to see it wasn't, no, you can see it just as clearly on the game's replay)...real time, it looked close enough to call it though if the ref didn't have that exact angle of the camera-man, so it is understandable to be called. Still wasn't one though.
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