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Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 4:16 AM
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Ever has a string of ?? plus win seasons like Dabo and the boys?
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that would be a big fat Zero***
Dec 14, 2016, 4:21 AM
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Re: that would be a big fat Zero***
Dec 14, 2016, 5:12 AM
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lol, just wanted to make everyone laugh like I did when a friend asked me that.
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Maybe...
Dec 14, 2016, 4:33 AM
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Just not ever at USuCk!
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I'd say his chances are excellent
Dec 14, 2016, 6:17 AM
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if the NCAA decides to play 16 regular season games and allows D-1 schools to schedule 8 games against 1-AA opponents.
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Re: I'd say his chances are excellent
Dec 14, 2016, 6:20 AM
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Lol, now theres an idea. How many did Spurrier have there? Im too lazy to look it up right now.
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One caveat. They shouldn't schedule the Citadel.***
Dec 14, 2016, 6:23 AM
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Re: One caveat. They shouldn't schedule the Citadel.***
Dec 14, 2016, 7:17 AM
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I really worry about that crowd.
Go Tigers
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 7:22 AM
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It's a lot harder in the SEC.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 7:25 AM
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so you are saying it is harder to win in what has been described by many as the worst division in the power 5. uh, and not just by clemson people. that sec
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 7:32 AM
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You're not going to be able to troll me with that because we both know that isn't true.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 7:33 AM
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lmfao it was said by many, even your puppets on espn.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 7:35 AM
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one example.
The SEC East is again the worst Power 5 college football division
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The SEC East isn't just significantly worse than the SEC West.
According to at least one ranking, the East has become the single worst in major-conference college football, behind the maligned Big Ten West and narrowly ahead of the mid-major Mountain West's top division.
The SEC East is so bad that the league could add 3-5 Notre Dame and watch its average ranking in S&P+, an opponent-adjusted advanced stat, go up.
Here's how every FBS division's average team stacks up by that metric, including the division-less Big 12, Sun Belt, and four independents:
Average S&P+ ranking
SEC West 25.4
ACC Atlantic 39
ACC Coastal 44.1
Big Ten East 46
Pac-12 South 47.8
Pac-12 North 49
Big 12 49
Big Ten West 53
SEC East 58.7
MWC Mountain 64
American East 64.8
Independents 67
American West 68.5
MAC West 70.3
C-USA East 90.6
C-USA West 91.3
Sun Belt 93.8
MWC West 97.8
MAC East 108.5
Mostly, these rankings are about what you'd expect.
They're based on play-by-play data and opponent strength, and they align pretty closely with the major human polls.
It won't surprise anyone that the Alabama-led SEC West grades out as the country's best division, just like it did last year. It also won't be a shock that the ACC Atlantic is next, with Clemson, Louisville, and Florida State all there. The Big Ten East -- with Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State -- also ranks highly despite having Rutgers and 2016's version of Michigan State.
The Pac-12's two divisions are just about equally strong this year, and on the whole, they're about equal with the Big 12. As maligned as that league is, it gets a boost from having Oklahoma, Baylor, and West Virginia in the top 25 and only having two real bottom-feeders, Iowa State and Kansas.
The best Group of 5 divisions are the Mountain West's Mountain division and the American East. S&P+ really likes Temple (ranked 33rd) and South Florida (36th), and the only AAC East team that's glaringly bad is Connecticut. The MWC Mountain has a good Boise State and no one ranked below 80th.
But, boy howdy, it's staggering how bad the SEC East is.
Not that anyone opened this post expecting the East to win some kind of medal.
Kentucky's in second place in this division, which says more about the division than it does about Kentucky. Onetime leader and national title contender Tennessee has collapsed on itself like a star. Top-10 recruiter Georgia is 4-4. Missouri isn't even a dilapidated shell of what it was a few years ago, and Vanderbilt is Vanderbilt.
So far this year, the West is 7-1 against the East, with the only win by Kentucky against Mississippi State.
From SEC Country:
Should the East lose out, including for an eighth consecutive year in the SEC title game, it would continue the trend of declining success against the West every season since expansion in 2012. That year, the East went 7-8 against the West, then 6-9 in 2013, 4-11 in 2014 and 2-13 last fall.
This is a horrifying situation. The specifics, by S&P+ rank:
Team Ranking
Florida 9
Tennessee 32
Missouri 55
Kentucky 62
Georgia 70
South Carolina 85
Vanderbilt 98
The league has exactly one good team. It might have one other decent team. And then it has teams that range from standard-fare Power 5 dead weight to some of the worst in the country.
Look at Georgia, all the way at 70. The teams immediately before Georgia are Navy and Maryland. The teams immediately behind it are Wyoming and Duke.
To repeat, the SEC East is so abysmal that Notre Dame, which is 3-5 and ranked 43rd on this index, would be the third-best team in the division. That's where we are. Notre Dame would be an improvement.
The SEC East's badness is not a new thing. In a way, it's getting worse.
By average S&P+ slot, the division is incrementally better than it was last year. But it was the worst Power 5 division in 2015, too, and its gains don't hold up relative to the rest of the country's major conferences.
Average S&P+ ranking
Big Ten East 40.3
SEC West 40.4
Pac-12 North 41
ACC Atlantic 43.3
Pac-12 South 49.9
Big 12 51.6
Big Ten West 52.3
Independents 56.3
ACC Coastal 56.4
SEC East 60.4
MWC Mountain 72.5
American West 72.8
MAC West 75.5
American East 76.8
MAC East 78.8
C-USA East 84.6
Sun Belt 91.9
MWC West 92.8
C-USA West 99.7
Last year, the gulf between the East and the worst Group of 5 division, the MWC Mountain, was 12 spots in average S&P+ rating. That's significant. This year, the gap is only about five spots, with the Mountain inching closer and closer to the East. The AAC East is about six spots back. That's how bad the quality of play has been this year.
Eventually, this will get better. But that it's currently this bad is stunning.
These things are cyclical. The East used to be better than the West.
Still, the East should never be this bad.
The SEC East has a handful of the country's top recruiters. Florida and Georgia regularly recruit at a national championship level, and Tennessee hasn't been so far behind. The division's footprint includes some of the country's best recruiting areas, several of its members throw tons of money at football, and all seven teams have made fresh coaching hires in the last few years.
This is something else, though.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 7:47 AM
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Ouch what does that say about the ACC Atlantic? The number two team in the Atlantic was worse than the fourth best team in the east.
Ouch.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 7:58 AM
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LOL it doesn't work like that DA
Coot logic at its best.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 8:25 AM
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I see facts have no place in this discussion.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 8:30 AM
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And you really believe your team got better this season?
It's going to make next season a pure joy to watch.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 8:53 AM
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Better than the previous season?
Absolutely.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 8:55 AM
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But with your logic you only lost by 5 last season this year 56-7 ??
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 8:57 AM
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Delusional if you think this year coots are better than last, the sec east just got worse around you.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but your 2015 team that went
Dec 14, 2016, 9:09 AM
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3-9 was rated higher in basically every advanced metric that I've seen. Your 3 game "improvement" was a complete mirage. Playing in the worst division in CFB no doubt helped, as did squeaking out a few wins over bad FCS / G5 teams.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 9:21 AM
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Have you looked at your 2017 schedule? I feel for you.... Oh wait no I don't. Mushump will probably be fired at the end of next season. 4-8 next season
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 8:01 AM
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If the Coots would have played CLEMSON schedule this season they only win 2 games.
Heck even the Cuse would beat your C ocks.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 9:16 AM
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wow Badb, that was harsh toward 09, lol. Poor guy might as well become a Tiger fan, he's over here more than anywhere else anyway.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 10:34 AM
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The COOTS don't even total 10 wins in 2 years combined. 3-9 and 6-7 counting bowl loss this year. COOTS talk about SEC all the time. They made the choice to join the "mighty" SEC and get whipped by the other halfway decent SEC teams on a consistent basis. In other words, suck it COOTS!
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 7:38 AM
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shall i continue trolling.
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The SEC East is bad, but we didn’t know it was this bad.
The division was projected before the season to have a national title contender in Tennessee and two more decent or pretty good teams in Florida and Georgia. Those programs were supposed to make up for an uninspiring bottom part of the division.
Instead, after South Carolina’s upset of Tennessee and Georgia’s collapse over the past five games, Florida is now alone atop the division. And in second place? The Kentucky Wildcats, who started the season 2-3, including a loss to Southern Mississippi.
The SEC East is so bad that, according to Bill Connelly’s S&P+ rankings, no division among the Power 5 conferences is worse.
Take a look at the average rank for the teams in each division in the FBS. Down below even the Big 12 and the Big Ten West, there sits the SEC East.
Division Average S&P+ Ranking
SEC West 25.4
ACC Atlantic 39
ACC Coastal 44.1
Big Ten East 46
Pac-12 South 47.8
Pac-12 North 49
Big 12 49
Big Ten West 53
SEC East 58.7
MWC Mountain 64
American East 64.8
Independents 67
American West 68.5
MAC West 70.3
C-USA East 90.6
C-USA West 91.3
Sun Belt 93.8
MWC West 97.8
MAC East 108.5
The average rank for the teams in the East is 58.7. Compare that to the West, which leads all divisions with an average ranking of 25.4.
Again, Florida is holding its own, ranked No. 9 in S&P+. The numbers, which rank the overall quality of a team rather than the strength of its resume, still have Tennessee at 32nd. After that, it’s a pretty steep drop-off.
Team Ranking
Florida 9
Tennessee 32
Missouri 55
Kentucky 62
Georgia 70
South Carolina 85
Vanderbilt 98
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 7:51 AM
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Keep in mind this was before the ACC went 3-1 against the SEC East and Alabama SEC W beat Florida SEC LEast! Vandy beating Tenn probably leap frogged them from the bottom also.
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Yeah, so Florida fell to 21st after getting blown out by
Dec 14, 2016, 9:15 AM
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FSU and then fell all the way to 42nd after getting destroyed by Bama. Tennessee is sitting right there with them at 43 after losing to Vandy a couple weeks ago. SC fell to 93rd after getting run out of Death Valley. UGA is 66th.
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It was definitely true this year. From a long-term
Dec 14, 2016, 9:01 AM
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perspective it's certainly not the worst division, but it was this year and that's backed up by a lot of data. This isn't just something ACC fans have conjured up.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 9:24 AM
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Not that hard for Bama. They seem to benefit every year from being in a weak conference. SEC is the only conference to send the same team to the CFP every year with no variety. Not counting the Big 12 because they've only managed to make it once.
Clemson has to get by FSU, Louisville and probably soon a rising VT team. Bama has an easier road. Playing the SEC east champ lately is Iike playing another FCS game.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 9:26 AM
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So very true you nailed it
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 9:58 AM
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The VT team that lost to Tennessee and the Louisville team that lost to Kentucky?
Interesting.
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The Tennessee team that beat VT in September....
Dec 14, 2016, 11:02 AM
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is not the same team that you beat in November as much as you'd like to believe it was.
As for Kentucky and Louisville, that's what happens in a rivalry game when one team turns the ball over a lot. Exactly the same thing that saved $CU from another epic beat down against Clemson in 2015 and one of the main reasons why $CU managed to win five in a row in the series.
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If you think Kentucky was better than Louisville over the
Dec 14, 2016, 11:02 AM
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course of the entire season you are... well a Coot.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 7:52 AM
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I'd say you haven't paid attention the past few years
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I'm laughing so hard at this comment, I don't know whether to
Dec 14, 2016, 8:12 AM
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TU or TD your post!
Thanks for sharing...
SEC Hahahahahahahahaha
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 8:55 AM
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Fiction sure is fun.
ACC has beaten the crap out of the SEC in head to head during rivalry week the past 3 years.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 9:00 AM
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The sec is Alabama and the 13 dwarfs.
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 9:06 AM
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> It's a lot harder in the SEC.
Thank you for the lulz!
PS: You're not serious are you?!?!
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 9:07 AM
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Yes classof09, if your SEC least. Remember the B1G is the best conference now, lol.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 9:31 AM
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Especially difficult in the SEC east....
Wait for it....
Wait for it....
Wait for it.....
The SEC East?
Bahahahahaaaa!!!!
Just kidding...
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 7:35 AM
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Depends on where he goes after Usuc fires him in a couple of years!! North Greenville has a pretty good program!
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Re: Chances that Mushump
Dec 14, 2016, 9:08 AM
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Is Furman hiring? Lol
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Spurrier was their zenith
Dec 14, 2016, 9:06 AM
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They may have a random 10 win season every once in a while, but they will never have that kind of sustained success again. He did the impossible...and still didn't win the SEC (or come close to what Dabo is doing).
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mischump, maybe. with the coots, not likely.***
Dec 14, 2016, 9:31 AM
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100% Chance he could string together 10 wins as a
Dec 14, 2016, 10:36 AM
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Defensive Line Coach for Saban at Alabama!!!
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