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Trump and Congress should look to cut this deal now...
Jan 14, 2021, 10:53 AM
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Trump agrees not to pardon any of those involved in last Wednesday's insurrection, whether day-of offenders or aiders and abettors. Himself and family excepted.
Trump hands over day-to-day operations to Pence from here on out. Available only for actions requiring actual Presidential authority, and only if requested by the VP.
Trump admits to America that his and other "rigged election" claims was wrong and mistaken, and apologizes (ever happened with him?) to all. He must also not veer from this position (truth) going forward, or at least for the two years where this current Congress' term runs to, at which point the impeachment article would die. I'll return to how this can work below.
The House agrees not to send impeachment article to Senate for trial, at any point in the future. This would allow Trump to keep his pension, lifetime travel budget, maintain eligibility for future races, help preserve his and his family's reputation, and provide him a fighting chance to save his "empire" from financial ruin again. It would also help the GOP not have its senators have to go on record on a vote - they are not as fragile as House members here.
So, in arranging this, give Trump license to throw Rudy Giuliani forcefully and completely under the bus for providing false and misleading information to Trump and his supporters concerning election fraud (truth). Blame Giuliani for leading a destructive, anti-Democratic campaign, based wholly around fraudulent activity and deceit, that has unfolded over this past year, even including Ukraine. Trump has actually already started this process by not wanting to pay Giuliani.
Trump: “I would never lie to you, not now, not ever. You deserve the truth. I was being presented with false information. The President, the highest position in the land – lied to and misled by my trusted counsel and the resources that I had entrusted him with to substantiate the many claims and allegations. I was deceived. And from that, so were you.”
Trump doesn't have to admit defeat because he is still a victim. Check.
Trump will have a huge personal overhead cushion taken care of for life by Joe Taxpayer. Check.
Trump can operate a political campaign fund and PAC without an impeachment conviction, which allows for a financial windfall and better chances of financial survival. Check.
Trump would allow millions of people who have been misled about massive voter fraud and feeling like their country was "stolen" from them to step back from the precipice and regain trust. Not all of course - always loonies on the fringe - but enough to bring reason back to the forefront. Check.
Any criminal or civil charges pending or on the horizon are not included. Not part of the deal. He's on his own there. Let the court system work all that out as it should.
Trump wins. The GOP wins. The new Admin wins. America wins. We all move forward. The big loser? Rudy Giuliani, who likely deserves the harsh fate that would await him following Trump's admission.
Go America.
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All-In [46675]
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That's not gonna happen***
Jan 14, 2021, 10:55 AM
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Oculus Spirit [80692]
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A reasonable person with an ounce of respect would have
Jan 14, 2021, 10:55 AM
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just resigned. Cut a deal that no more action goes against him, no impeachment, no 25th, and he just leaves.
But than again, any reasonable person wouldn't have gotten themselves in the spot he's in.
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It's really more about helping much of America disengage
Jan 14, 2021, 10:59 AM
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from the "stolen election, stolen country" mindset that has taken root. That isn't going to go away easily, and will tear at us and weaken this country for the foreseeable future. Trump alone has the ability to check this dangerous and destructive thought. It's less about him, and more about the tens of millions who are fully bought in to this delusion.
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Orange Blooded [4365]
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Re: It's really more about helping much of America disengage
Jan 14, 2021, 11:45 AM
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lou,
and that is why he would never get close to this deal - it is not all about him.
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Re: It's really more about helping much of America disengage
Jan 14, 2021, 12:15 PM
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Except we're talking about significant amounts of financial benefits for him if he were to go along...
1. Free travel for life (yuuuge with this guy).
2. Ability to fundraise for campaign (gets to continue grifting his supporters).
3. Would relax lenders and financial institutions public angst over working with him and his family in the future.
There's a reason I put the public benefit portion last. But there are real and significant financial benefits ahead for him and his family by going this route, as well as the narcissistic side in placing ALL of the blame for the chaos on Rudy, and having much of America going along with that.
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Oculus Spirit [80692]
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I agree completely; but this impeachment won't help with
Jan 14, 2021, 12:59 PM
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any of that.
I'm not sure what the best punishment is/was, but I think whatever it was, the time frame for it to happen has passed.
Seems like there could have been some behind closed doors bargaining that if he admitted defeat and resigned, there would be no more attempts of retribution.
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Oculus Spirit [97386]
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The art of the deal....
Jan 14, 2021, 11:12 AM
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The worst thing you can possibly do in a deal is seem desperate to make it. That makes the other guy smell blood, and then you’re dead. The best thing you can do is deal from strength, and leverage is the biggest strength you can have. Leverage is having something the other guy wants. Or better yet, needs. Or best of all, simply can’t do without. Unfortunately, that isn’t always the case, which is why leverage often requires imagination, and salesmanship. In other words, you have to convince the other guy it’s in his interest to make the deal.
Back in 1974, in an effort to get the city to approve my deal to buy the Commodore Hotel on East 42nd Street, I convinced its owners to go public with the fact that they were planning to close down the hotel. After they made the announcement, I wasn’t shy about pointing out to everyone in the city what a disaster a boarded-up hotel would be for the Grand Central area, and for the entire city.
When the board of Holiday Inns was considering whether to enter into a partnership with me in Atlantic City, they were attracted to my site because they believed my construction was farther along than that of any other potential partner. In reality, I wasn’t that far along, but I did everything I could, short of going to work at the site myself, to assure them that my casino was practically finished. My leverage came from confirming an impression they were already predisposed to believe.
When I bought the West Side railyards, I didn’t name the project Television City by accident, and I didn’t choose the name because I think it’s pretty. I did it to make a point. Keeping the television networks in New York—and NBC in particular—is something the city very much wants to do. Losing a network to New Jersey would be a psychological and economic disaster.
Leverage: don’t make deals without it.
---Thus spoketh Trump
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Re: Trump and Congress should look to cut this deal now...
Jan 14, 2021, 11:14 AM
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A sociopath and a narcissist can't do that. It would require publicly admitting wrongdoing and fault, even if doing so would benefit the person greatly in the long run. A narcissistic sociopath must cling to the idea that he is right and just, especially publicly, and #### the consequences.
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Re: Trump and Congress should look to cut this deal now...
Jan 14, 2021, 11:28 AM
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Totally get this about Trump. That's where Giuliani comes in. Trump still gets to play the victim card to the end and save face. He only needs to admit that he was lied to and deceived by Giuliani from the get go. Trump hasn't been lying - he was deceived by his most trusted advisor, and thus America was deceived by Giuliani. "It's all Rudy's fault, and he must pay the price." The fact that Trump is not wanting to pay him or reimburse for expenses throughout this whole thing tells me this option is ripe for the taking.
There is a loaded gun pointed at Trump with the impeachment article. This holsters it, with no threat of the dire financial and political consequences of having it fired provided he take these steps.
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Re: Trump and Congress should look to cut this deal now...
Jan 14, 2021, 11:33 AM
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He should do none of those, and continue being President until a new one is inaugurated.
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