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Valley Protector [1470]
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Time to Stop Complaining
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Nov 22, 2024, 1:09 AM
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…about Dabo’s salary. He barely makes more than Michigans pre-freshman quarterback.
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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That's bogus.
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Nov 22, 2024, 8:25 AM
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He is reportedly getting $10 million for four years. That's 2.5 per year.
Dabo gets 11.5 million per year.
11.5 is not equal to 2.5.
Maths are hard, but not that hard.
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Orange Elite [5464]
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Dabo got a lot more bills and repsonsibilies than that.....
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Nov 22, 2024, 9:17 AM
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college kid too
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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Non sequotur.
Nov 22, 2024, 10:33 AM
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It doesn't change the false premise.
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Top TigerNet [32382]
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u tell me mr DA of Greenville county***
Nov 22, 2024, 12:08 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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I am not an attorney nor do I claim to be one.
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Nov 22, 2024, 12:12 PM
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I am able to do my research on the topic and factually rebut false claims and bogus information.
A lot of TNetters seem to have an inferiority complex and don't think we can do anything about it.
If anyone has one, it's self inflicted and there is a pathway to fix it.
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Game Day Hero [4178]
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Hall of Famer [8360]
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Re: Time to Stop Complaining
Nov 22, 2024, 8:27 AM
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People are jealous.
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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Not at all.
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Nov 22, 2024, 8:35 AM
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People understand that we're getting diminishing returns on the ROI.
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Paw Master [17255]
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Re: Not at all.
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Nov 22, 2024, 9:04 AM
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There are exactly three active coaches to have won a national championship: Mack Brown, Kirby Smart, and Dabo Swinney. Smart and Swinney have won the same number - two. Smart has been in half as many playoffs. Now take a list at all the other coaches making 9+ million that are offering better returns? Mike Norfolk, maybe? Mark Stoops? Elijah Drinkwitz? Brian Kelly? You throw his salary out with no context to what others are getting paid. There an absolute dogsh*t coaches making nearly as much as Dabo. Stop being an idiot.
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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You use those non sequiturs and ad hominems?
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Nov 22, 2024, 9:13 AM
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That doesn't make me an idiot.
This is about Dabo and Clemson's ROI, and nothing else. Your attempt to muddy the waters is debunked.
Your childish name calling? If you want to see the pejorative you used, stare into a mirror.
Take a Logic 101 class, then get back to me.
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CU Medallion [18024]
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Talk about childish...
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Nov 22, 2024, 10:19 AM
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..."Still mad because Lincoln freed your slaves?" This is the kind of stuff you resort to.
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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Questioning a love for exploitation is as adult as it gets.
Nov 22, 2024, 10:36 AM
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Your attempt to alter reality is an epic fail.
Your butthurt doesn't change that a whit?
You sound like the topic of an old southern saying "Guilty dog barks first".
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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Sounds defensive.
Nov 22, 2024, 10:57 AM
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Apparently it struck a nerve with you.
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Paw Master [17255]
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Re: You use those non sequiturs and ad hominems?
Nov 22, 2024, 7:18 PM
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When I refute your entire premise with fact, which I did, then it isn’t an ad hominem. And nothing about Dabo’s accomplishments nor ranking in salary is a non sequitor to your complaints about Dabo’s salary. Using big words when you clearly don’t know what they mean doesn’t make you look smart except to the troglodytes on this board who also don’t know what they mean.
The ROI is already baked in. His accomplishments have paid off many times over already for Clemson. You are not making a sophisticated argument. I understand you are trying to paint yourself as objective but you’re just a petulant baby.
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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Facts used as jon sequiturs are not pertinent.
Nov 22, 2024, 7:46 PM
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Dabo and his methods are one of a kind.
Again, bringing anyone else into the conversation is weak deflection.
Try to stay on topic.
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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Wrong again.
Nov 22, 2024, 7:49 PM
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The ROI is year to year. The oven burned that old ROI when it was overbaked starting in 2019.
Clemson no longer wins because of Dabo.
Clemson sometimes wins despite him or because of inferior competition.
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A national championship history has little to do with it.
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Nov 22, 2024, 12:27 PM
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Mack Brown makes $5 million a year, less than half of what Dabo makes. If that magically makes a coach worthy of a huge contract in perpetuity, then UNC is getting a great deal.
Of course, that's not true, and UNC isn't getting a great deal.
Clemson isn't getting a great deal either. Dabo's last national championship was 7 years ago. That's a long time in college football years. We have seen a lot of changes since then, including changes to the transfer rules as well as the implementation of NIL.
In this new era of college football, Dabo hasn't come close to winning a national championship. In fact, he hasn't even finished in the top 10.
The only coach who makes more than Dabo is Kirby Smart, at $13 million a year. In contrast to Dabo, Kirby has two two national championships recently (2021 and 2022), and he has shown that he is capable of winning at a high level in this current era of college football. Also in contrast to Dabo, Kirby hasn't seen his success on the field or in recruiting suffer in recent years.
If we are content winning 8-10 games a year, we can do it for less than the $11 million a year we pay Dabo.
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Clemson Icon [27025]
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Re: A national championship history has little to do with it.
Nov 22, 2024, 2:53 PM
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Your tendency to exaggerate doesn’t really help you make your points, but evidently you believe it must bolster your agenda because you just keep doing it.
Clemson won its last football national championship on January 7, 2019. Not sure what calendar you use to make that 7 years ago, but you do you.
Who is content with winning 8-10 games a year? And BTW, when was the last time we only won 8 games in a year?
Just keep making stuff up and eventually you begin to believe it. I believe you are already there. The truth doesn’t matter.
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Paw Master [17255]
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Re: A national championship history has little to do with it.
Nov 22, 2024, 7:31 PM
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Now do every other coach make $9 million plus a year rather than the single outlier coach who has happened to have won a title - 20 years ago. Mack Brown is 44-31 with no accomplishments in his second run at UNC - and still makes $5 million. Dabo is 62-16 over the same stretch with 3 ACC Titles, 2 CFP appearances, 1 CFP final appearance. Do you consider those comparable accomplishments?
“8-10” games a year is awfully disengenuous even for your standards. Dabo has finished a season with less than 10 wins once since 2010. When you have to predicate your attacks on Dabo on such obvious fallacies it belies your real intentions.
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Re: Not at all.
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Nov 22, 2024, 2:39 PM
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If you're going to compare the number of playoff teams Dabo has produced against those of Kirby: Dabo is in his 16th full year at Clemson. Kirby his 9th. Dabo won his first title in his 8th year and 2nd in year 10. Kirby's first title in year 6 and his second by his 7th year. Which of those coaches do you think is likely to be the first to win a third title?
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Paw Master [17255]
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Re: Not at all.
Nov 22, 2024, 7:33 PM
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Hey, dude who was throwing around the term “non-sequitor”. This is the post you were looking for.
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Tiger Titan [46625]
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Such a lame comeback.
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Nov 22, 2024, 12:20 PM
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People who question the current ROI for Dabo's salary aren't jealous. They are smart people who understand the value of making smart investments.
Currently, paying Dabo $11 million isn't a smart investment.
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Re: Time to Stop Complaining
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Nov 22, 2024, 8:53 AM
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this is what happens when you post at 1:09 AM after a few too many Bud Lights.
Deal is "salary" over 4 years.
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Nov 22, 2024, 10:57 AM
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What I am surprised about is LSU letting it happen. They can pay out just as much as any school. Must have thought he wasn't worth it after all. Maybe there's another in the wings.
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Re: Time to Stop Complaining
Nov 22, 2024, 11:11 AM
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Huh?
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Re: Time to Stop Complaining
Nov 22, 2024, 12:18 PM
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What should Dabo's salary be?
If the coach of a team ranked 17th should be 17th highest paid, that would drop him down to 7.75M, about a 30% cut. Surely that would satisfy the "ROI" argument.
Everyone cool with that?
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Tiger Titan [46625]
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Based on the last four years, he shouldn't be the 2nd highest paid coach.
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Nov 22, 2024, 12:30 PM
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How many years of underachieving football are some of you going to allow before you start to question what we pay him?
Or are you suggesting his success last decade in a different era of college football justify his pay regardless of what he does moving forward?
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Re: Based on the last four years, he shouldn't be the 2nd highest paid coach.
Nov 22, 2024, 1:03 PM
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I'll ask again, what should we pay him?
You're quite certain 11.1M is too high. Fair enough. What isn't too high?
I gave you the "market" for the 17th highest paid coach (7.75M), which would seem appropriate compensation for the coach of the 17th ranked team, no?
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All-American [592]
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Let's keep Dabo and shut up with the whining!
Nov 22, 2024, 1:28 PM
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It's all about winning.... on the field, in the classroom, and in life for all these young men.
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Re: Time to Stop Complaining
Nov 22, 2024, 2:47 PM
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Heres an amusing thought. Since some of yall think Dabo makes too much money; would you be satisfied if he payed some NIL money back to players out of his own salary? He for sure has the means
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