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All-Pro [785]
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SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
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Nov 20, 2024, 7:12 PM
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I don't know how many years in advance the schedules are made out BUT here it goes.
If Louisville was our only loss and we had not already got beaten bad by GA then we would 100% be right in the thick of things. We'd Probably be ranked around 8th at best just like Miami or 12th at worst just like Boise State. The difference between Miami and Clemson right now? Clemson played a top tier SEC, GA team and lost and Miami played a low/mid tier SEC, FLA team and won. Then Clemson will play another SEC upper mid tier team in the SEC, USC the last game of the year. That is enough. With the new 12 team college playoff there is absolutely no need for Clemson to be scheduling out of conference games to build their resume' against an top tier SEC team the first game of the year or any game. We'll see them in the playoff, the way it should be. Because if you lose your fighting the rest of the season just to get back in the playoff picture. Then if you slip up and lose a conference game (which is normal) very few teams if any go undefeated in conference play. It is a anomaly to do that, then you are almost surely not getting in with two losses. Unless it is a year like 2022 where a 3 loss (2 conference losses) UNC team plays in the ACC championship. But that was because the conference had two divisions then. Now that the conferences have been expanded your not likely to see a 3 loss team with 2 losses being in the conference making it to the Conference championship game. With the addition of Stanford and California they have practically guaranteed 2 more conference wins for half the teams in the ACC. Especially if they don't have to play the two best teams in the conference (Like SMUs schedule). Clemson needs to do like practically every other team and schedule an out of conference inferior opponent. A guaranteed win.
Example of teams ranked higher than Clemson's out of conference schedule:
Penn State: Kent St., Bowling Green, West VA.
Indiana: FIU, Charlotte, W. Illinois.
Miami: Ball State, S. Florida, Florida A&M, Florida.
Boise State in a weak G-5 conf. Mountain West: GA Southern, Portland St., Oregon St., Wash St.
SMU: Weaker ACC schedule than Clemson: Nevada, Houston Christian, TCU, BYU.
BYU: Southern Illinois, Wyoming, UCF, SMU.
Colorado: North Dakota State, UCF, Colorado State, Nebraska.
Texas A&M: McNeese, Bowling Green, New Mexico St., Notre Dame.
CLEMSON: Georgia, South Carolina, App State Citadel.
Do you see a trend here? Did any of these other 8 teams ahead of Clemson in the rankings schedule the best team in the country for the last 3 years for an out of conference game? Much less the first game of the year. Or even a top top ten team out of their respective conferences? Only one, Texas A&M lost to Notre Dame. And Look where they are now. Ranked #15 with only one SEC loss. Talking about getting no respect. Is Rodney Dangerfield their coach?
Solution for Clemson. Be concerned about getting to the playoffs. Not improving your strength of schedule. The risk/reward ratio is not worth it. Think! Think! Think!
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Clemson Conqueror [11647]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
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Nov 20, 2024, 7:48 PM
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Good points ...... maybe someone is listening. Or at least give us credit for playing a real team!
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Valley Legend [12108]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
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Nov 20, 2024, 7:57 PM
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Oh we got credit all right, they dropped us 9 spots for losing to what was the #1 team in the country at the time.
Saban made this exact point about 10 years ago. His words, “I don’t know why we’re playing in these games”. Since then, Bama plays an unbroken string of cupcakes and the SEC schedule.
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All-Pro [785]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
Nov 21, 2024, 7:15 PM
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I know right. Then when we lost to Louisville we dropped 12 spots agai after moving up some winning six in a row.
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All-Pro [785]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
Nov 21, 2024, 7:13 PM
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If we win then we get credit but if we lose, especially if we lose big it does irreparable damage. The only way to fix it would be to go undefeated the rest of the year. Highly unlikely that's going to happen to the vast majority of teams. Maybe 2 teams per year will win 11 in a row after a first game loss. The juice is not worth the squeeze anymore. With this new playoff it's all about wins vs. losses. The only teams that can get away with more than one regular season loss are a handful of SEC teams and a few Big 10 teams. The rest of us better not have more have two regular season losses. Although an ACC team can have one loss and lose in the ACC championship game to an undefeated or one loss ACC Champ and still make the playoff at 11 wins and 2 losses. If your not a big name SEC or Big ten school then you must do it this way. Strength of schedule is not where it's at anymore. That's for SEC schools with two or three losses competing to get in the playoffs. Then strength of schedule and common opponents matters much more for them. But for the rest of us it wins and losses. The days of of getting credit for playing a top 5 team just to get credit is over. It's a demerit.
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Varsity [133]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
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Nov 20, 2024, 7:56 PM
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The facts speak for themselves. And if South Carolina keeps improving that game alone can be a liability for both teams moving forward. We definitely don’t need to schedule a team like Georgia anymore.
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Tiger Spirit [9424]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
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Nov 20, 2024, 8:04 PM
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Problem with that thinking is scheduling weak opponents affects a lot more. Doesn’t provide a measuring stick for how you stack up against the best. If you don’t play the best you get a false sense of how good you are. Also, it could hurt you in recruiting. It will adversely affect revenue. Etc.
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Standout [209]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
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Nov 20, 2024, 9:20 PM
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Agreed 💯 percent. Play cupcake teams all year and get in the playoffs then what?
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All-Pro [785]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
Nov 21, 2024, 8:19 PM
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First of all you guys are exaggerating when your saying a cupcake teams. There is almost always every season a couple ACC teams in the top 15 and 3 others in the top 25. And then the last game of the year is against USC that is like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. They could be a top 15 team or they could be 60. But usually a mid tier SEC team. That's a decent enough regular schedule. Then you play nd hopefully beat a top 10 ten in the ACC championship game. That's a good enough resume'. Like I said, once we're in the playoff then we can play the OOC big boys and have as good a chance as any other team.
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Offensive Star [341]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
Nov 20, 2024, 10:10 PM
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Your post is a breath of fresh air.
To be the man, ya gotta beat the man!
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All-Pro [785]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
Nov 21, 2024, 7:17 PM
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You'll get to play the best in the playoffs. That's all that matters anymore. It's like NASCAR now. The first 20 races mean ZIP. It's the last 10 that matter. All you have to do is get in now and any team can win.
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All-Pro [785]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
Nov 21, 2024, 7:37 PM
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Not getting into the ACC championship game 3 out of the last 4 years and not getting into the playoffs will hurt much more that getting into the playoffs and losing in the first round.
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Orange Beast [6481]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
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Nov 20, 2024, 8:06 PM
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OOC opponents are scheduled many years in advance. More than 10 years in some cases.
Clemson has:
2025: LSU
2026: LSU
2027: Notre Dame
2028: Notre Dame
2029: Georgia
2030: Georgia
2031: Notre Dame
2032: Georgia
2033: Georgia
2034: Notre Dame
2035: Oklahoma
2036: Oklahoma
2037: Notre Dame
Future schedules are posted here on tnet.
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All-Pro [785]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
Nov 21, 2024, 7:40 PM
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That's brutal. Probably no other team in the country is scheduling SEC teams like that OOC in the entire country.
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Dynasty Maker [3299]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
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Nov 20, 2024, 8:13 PM
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A problem is that, for many of those ahead of us in the polls (NOT ALL), their conference schedule is much stringer than ours. If not for out of conference games, what would our resume be? As fans, sure it would be great to make the playoffs but if the cost is 12 games of no competition blow out drubbings of inferior ACC teams, how enjoyable would that be? Especially, if that schedule leaves us unprepared and we are continually exposed and embarrassed in the first game of the playoffs?
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Varsity [123]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
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Nov 20, 2024, 8:21 PM
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You all make very valid points but what if Clemson had only lost to UGAY by one point, maybe we would be around 13 th now with a better chance for the playoffs
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Game Changer [1761]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
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Nov 20, 2024, 9:13 PM
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Exactly! Plus it’s boring as heck watching non-competitive regular season games.
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All-Pro [785]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
Nov 21, 2024, 8:21 PM
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Would you rather be embarrassed the first playoff game or the first regular season game?
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Tiger Spirit [9778]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
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Nov 20, 2024, 8:57 PM
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Schedules are made years in advance as noted and are made with 3 thoughts in mind, pleasing fans who don't to see lousy games, making money and giving the players a chance to be the best by beating the best.
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All-Pro [785]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
Nov 21, 2024, 7:49 PM
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Well that was before a 12 team CFP. Things have changed. We're not going to be a popular team to watch and filling up the stands if we can't get into our own conference Championship game, much less win it and therefor not getting into a 12 team CFP. With that brutal OOC schedule that was posted it's going to be very difficult to start the season undefeated. If we can do it half the time we will be fortunate. So, just be prepared to have to go undefeated the rest of those regular seasons to make the CFP.
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Game Changer [1761]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
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Nov 20, 2024, 9:09 PM
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Solutions for our CFP troubles is to Play Better, not to schedule OOC cupcakes to compliment our conference cupcake schedule. That is downright pitiful thinking. The SEC may play some Little Sisters of the Poor OOC teams because they generally play a much tougher conference schedule.
If a team intentionally runs and hides during the regular season, it doesn’t belong in the playoffs.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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That's Step 1.
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Nov 20, 2024, 9:16 PM
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The others are to recruit better, use the portal effectively, use NIL better, hire better, coach better, scheme better, condition better, and play better.
The most successful teams all do that.
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Tiger Spirit [9968]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
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Nov 21, 2024, 6:46 AM
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Your solution is to schedule crappy teams so we can get blown out in the playoffs instead of fixing our talent acquisition issues so we can once again actually compete with the best teams? Yikes
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All-Pro [785]
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Re: SOLUTION to our CFP troubles
Nov 21, 2024, 8:10 PM
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You don't see other teams complaining about their crappy schedules, do you? Do you hear teams like Miami, SMU, Boise State, Colorado, BYU, Indiana complaining that they shouldn't go to the playoffs because their schedule was crappy? Heck no. Once you get in anything is possible. Don't let your pride get in the way of common sense. We'll see this tougher opponents in the Playoffs and that's when we will play the best in the country. But if you don't get in because you have 2 regular season losses because you schedule the toughest OOC opponent in the country every first game of the year or a top 5 team then your behind the 8 ball from the get go. There are two SEC teams right now out of the top ten. What do you think they are going to do to a two loss ACC or Big 12 team? Leave them out of the 12 playoff is what they will do. And your answer is that it serves us right if we can't beat GA and Louisville and go undefeated. That is incorrect sir.
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Orange Immortal [67583]
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You mean besides not losing games we should win?***
Nov 21, 2024, 7:17 AM
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