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Athletic Dir [1126]
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Dabo's Salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 2:15 PM
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For the life of me I cannot figure out what Dabo's salary has to do with anything concerning the performance of the football team over the last several years. And for the record, I don't really GAS what anyone's salary is. That's none of my business.
When the Braves decide to pay Ozuna $15 million, is he worth it? The Braves front office does. Does he EARN it every time he steps up to the plate? Not remotely. But they do know what he's capable of and THAT'S what they're paying him for. The past performance warrants the salary.
Two national championships, payoffs, 10-win seasons, and....AND all the while graduating players and keeping them out of the headlines during the season and off.
All this Dabo's salary stuff sounds a lot like the "distribution of wealth" garbage you hear in politics. Because the ONLY way anyone could have possibly earned that much money is by exploiting someone else.
Quite frankly, I ain't buying it. Good for Dabo. How about a raise?
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Rival Killer [3011]
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take it easy Dabo...
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Nov 20, 2024, 2:19 PM
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I mean tigerhurst...
So at what point does he begin to be held accountable for the recent decline in performance? The ACC is not good.
And for the record I do think he is worth the money. But he's not trending in the right direction.
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Re: take it easy Dabo...
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Nov 20, 2024, 2:29 PM
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Is he not held accountable every Saturday? Here's a guy that shares the success and takes the blame.
The team is currently 10-2. And stands a good chance to better last year's record or at worse finish with the same record. And as we are reminded ad infinitum, with less talent and less back-up and poor position coaching.
The man isn't paid according to the whims of the media, social media or Tnet. If he was, we may as well be Auburn.
I agree with just about everyone on here that we can do better. I'm frustrated by the offense, defense and special teams. But here's an inconvenient truth, So is he. And who stands more to lose in this if the "recent decline" continues? Us? nope. I'll wait until we truly are at rock bottom. Not just anticipated or imagined. Then and only then will there be a need for accountability.
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Re: take it easy Dabo...
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Nov 20, 2024, 2:36 PM
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like FSU rock bottom? That change can happen in one offseason
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Tiger Titan [46625]
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I havent seen any evidence that Dabo is held accountable for our recent slide.
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Nov 20, 2024, 4:33 PM
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What evidence do you have?
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Re: I havent seen any evidence that Dabo is held accountable for our recent slide.
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Nov 20, 2024, 5:18 PM
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Judge that goes both ways with BB. And on another note why does so many feel like they know the happenings inside the athletic department. What evidence is going to be brought to TNet members. He wins a lot of games and he graduates a lot of kids. Neff would probably chuckle at some of this stupidity. He will leave when he figures out he cannot be competitive with those that use the bag men, but he will not be fired.
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Tiger Titan [46625]
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We are top 5 in the ACC in wins over the last 6-7 years.
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:38 AM
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Nowhere close to the bottom.
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Ring of Honor [21627]
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Re: We are top 5 in the ACC in wins over the last 6-7 years.
Nov 21, 2024, 11:45 AM
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Where is the championship?
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Re: take it easy Dabo...
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:09 AM
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If he is going to share the success, maybe he should share the cash as well.
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Rival Killer [2663]
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Re: take it easy Dabo...
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:50 AM
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"The team is currently 10-2"? Which team? I'd honestly be surprised if we finish 10-2. I hope so, but I think 9-3 is probably more accurate. 9-4 post-season.
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Athletic Dir [1126]
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Re: take it easy Dabo...
Nov 21, 2024, 11:26 AM
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Sorry, I misspoke. The possibility to go 10-2. good catch.
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Re: take it easy Dabo...
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Nov 20, 2024, 6:28 PM
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Let's say Dabo and Clemson mutually agreed to part ways at the end of this season, with both parties agreeing that neither owed the other any money. Thus, making Dabo available to take a college coaching job with another college FB team.
Is there any college fb team in any conference that would hire Dabo for 11 million dollars a year and give him a 5 year contract at that salary?
And would they let him bring his current staff with him and pay them the same salary as they are currently getting?
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Standout [210]
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Re: take it easy Dabo...
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Nov 20, 2024, 6:46 PM
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The answer to the question is no.
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Game Changer [1950]
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Re: take it easy Dabo...
Nov 21, 2024, 10:39 AM
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when do you begin to be held accountable for your ignorance (formerly known as stupidity)?
Decline in performance? We are not "upstarts" anymore, why? DABO! Moron.
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Rock Defender [58]
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Re: take it easy Dabo...
Nov 21, 2024, 12:09 PM
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Well we certainly aren't the same team that Dabo earned his salary for either...
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Re: take it easy Dabo...
Nov 21, 2024, 10:39 AM
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If we won't Dabo to be the coach of Clemson it's going to take that salary. The reason why is he can get that salary from other teams. As far as Dabo being held accountable, I don't really see your point of that. Told him accountable you'd have to fire him.
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Athletic Dir [1139]
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Re: take it easy Dabo...
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:52 AM
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what school is going to pay him 11.5 per year no one!
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Athletic Dir [1179]
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Re: take it easy Dabo...
Nov 21, 2024, 11:03 AM
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I went to Clemson 1967-1971 and the head coach was Frank Howard. Bear Bryant was head coach at Alabama. For homecoming one year we played Auburn with Pat Sullivan as their QB and he was a Heisman Trophy winner. They beat us 44-0 at Clemson. Most seasons were 6-4 and life went on. Most of the message board writers are whiners. Dabo is one of the best coaches in college football, lucky to have him. NIL money has changed the landscape. Clemson is not Texas or Ohio State relative to NIL money. Enjoy life more and hopefully you can retire living good like me.
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Re: Dabo's Salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 2:37 PM
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Pay for performance is a generally accepted concept in the business world. Dabo is receiving top tier compensation and has arguably under-performed on the field the last several years. Hence the discussions.
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Athletic Dir [1126]
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Re: Dabo's Salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 2:46 PM
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So.....cut his pay until it improves? Fire him altogether? Pay him more so he'll win?
Pay him for what he has accomplished or what the market rate for high profile, championship winning coach is currently? And what should that rate be? What will his buyout be knowing that if he doesn't do what Dabo did he's out?
I think the current (or even the last two years) performance of the team and the head coaching salary are two different discussions. But it seems to make it's way in every time the team under performs or doesn't perform to everyone's liking.
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Tiger Titan [46625]
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Well yes, thats understandable that people will point out his salary.
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Nov 20, 2024, 4:35 PM
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He makes $11 million a year. He is the second highest paid coach in college football. He’s proven that he can win national championships. When his teams fall far short of that, as we have for several years now, people are naturally going to wonder why he is paid so much relative to current results.
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Re: Well yes, thats understandable that people will point out his salary.
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Nov 20, 2024, 5:26 PM
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JK that contract was not signed this year. He would have gotten 11 mill anywhere he wanted to go when he signed that deal. Do you even have any idea of the terms of the contract? Didn’t think so. Don’t you have a basketball practice to oversee or something?
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Tiger Titan [46625]
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This isnt complicated.
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:43 AM
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His contract was based on past performance with the expectation of continued future success.
You don’t actually think Clemson views it solely as a reward for championships, do you?
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Athletic Dir [1126]
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Re: Well yes, thats understandable that people will point out his salary.
Nov 21, 2024, 11:37 AM
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I was resisting this, but couldn't help it.
The highest paid coach right now is none other Kirby Smart at $13 mil. Back to Back championships, perennial playoff contender. Do we really need to go into the other things that UGA is known for under his leadership? Is this the future or your ROI you're looking at for your $11 mil?
What the UNIVERSITY is getting for their return, not necessarily the fan base.
Dawg fans yelling that Kirby is overpaid? I think not. Could be, but I doubt it. But I can hope that the BOT at Georgia and any other powers that be are more than suggesting that the football program clean up their act.
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Game Changer [1950]
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Re: Dabo's Salary
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:42 AM
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Go ahead and argue away?
His salary is median anymore... you see what Indiana just paid their coach?
It's the lay of the land...
How soon we forget Dabo turned down raises along the way to get his assistants higher pay... resulting in higher quality coaching...
He is doing everything right and here you are complaining...
Go find counseling ...
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Tiger Titan [46625]
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Dabo didnt turn down a raise. He delayed his raise.
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:45 AM
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That happened once. Good for him.
Clemson has been extremely generous with Dabo. Let’s not portray him as some martyr here.
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Tiger Titan [46625]
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LOL Dabos salary isnt median.***
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:49 AM
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Dynasty Maker [3148]
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Apparently, you e never heard of return on investment?******
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Orange Blooded [2468]
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That would imply that he got paid before anything was accomplished. How foolish***
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Nov 20, 2024, 2:52 PM
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Re: That would imply that he got paid before anything was accomplished. How foolish***
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He is an idiot so there’s that.
Won 2 national championships, multiple ACC championships, has the most wins in the ACC and you want to bring up return on investment.
GTFOH… you are so ignorant I feel fairly certain I’m wasting time replying to your stupidity.
On another note he graduates a very high number of kids. Things like developing men and getting a degree used to matter, but seeing you think Deion is the man I’m fairly certain you would never understand.
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Tiger Titan [46625]
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So youre good with our return on investment in these last four years?
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:49 AM
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I’m not. Not even close.
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Re: So youre good with our return on investment in these last four years?
Nov 21, 2024, 11:41 AM
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That's why I thankfully you are not in any position of decision making for the program or the University
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Athletic Dir [1126]
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Re: Apparently, you e never heard of return on investment?******
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So the salary is an investment and not a reward for what he has done over the last 13 years? This business truly is "what have you done for me lately" isn't it?
And if we are going to go ahead and treat it that way, what is your recommended course of action if you were brokering this deal?
The university is paying him the amount that they feel he is worth. Apparently, there are some that feel he is no longer worth it.
Personally, I don't always equate a person's value with the amount of money they make.
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Re: Apparently, you e never heard of return on investment?******
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Of course a salary is an investment. It's not a reward. And yes, it is a "what have you done for me lately" business. Every business is. You don't get to coast forever on past accomplishments. You were paid for those accomplishments. Now you have justify your current salary. This is such a stupid post.
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Re: Apparently, you e never heard of return on investment?******
Nov 21, 2024, 10:44 AM
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return has been 1000 fold... the only reason you even get to complain about anything is Dabo, he built this program, and the growth of Clemson as a brand and all the associated benefits to Clemson University as whole that came with it...
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Orange Blooded [2468]
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He's earned it. Greatest coach in Clemson and ACC history***
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Nov 20, 2024, 2:51 PM
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Dano definitely earned his salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 2:55 PM
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But you can't make top salary and go to the Pop Tart bowl every year either.
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Athletic Dir [1126]
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Re: Dano definitely earned his salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 3:02 PM
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Sure you can. Unless you're saying that the only way an $11 mill salary is justifiable is to be in the playoffs every year.
Again, from a fan's perspective, one doesn't have much to do with the other. Now, collectively, all those that are contributing to said salary can certainly decide not to contribute if we end up in the Pop Tart bowl every year. Certainly their prerogative. It's not mandatory.
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Re: Dano definitely earned his salary
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Gundy is the 17th highest paid coach right now at ~7.7M per year. Talk about overpaid! They're 3-7 and dead last in the Big 12. He's significantly overpaid compared to Dabo, as many others are, but that's another conversation.
Clemson is ranked 17th in the CFP rankings.
So, it's simple. Cut Dabo's salary 3.4M to make him the 17th highest paid coach to match his field performance.
That would mean he would get paid about the same as the head coach at Kansas, and about 1.5M less than Stoops at Kentucky.
Does that seem good to everyone?
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Re: Dano definitely earned his salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 3:59 PM
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What does Hawaii 5-0 have to do with this thread? I know Dano was good, but he was no Steve McGarrett.
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Game Changer [1950]
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Re: Dano definitely earned his salary
Nov 21, 2024, 10:47 AM
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why not? Is it his fault we are not in the SEC or BIG-10? You don;t think there is massive bias to those two conferences? SEC is going to be upset if they do not get 5 in the playoffs... Indiana is higher ranked (this week) than every SEC team aside from Texas (who just joined the SEC)...
This entire NCAA model is going to fall apart... cannot sustain this insanity...
Clemson will be standing when it does...
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Re: Dabo's Salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 3:38 PM
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Jealous kids that don't understand market value and worth to an organization will always spout things that they have no clue about. First and foremost, coaches do not have 1 year contracts so changes will be made down the road not each year.
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There are hundreds of coaches would would work for less.
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Nov 20, 2024, 3:45 PM
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There is only one Dabo.
We've never had a coach like Dabo and neither has anyone else. Usually, those who win cheat, lie and take everything they can from others. Dabo wins more than most of them and has none of the vices which plague most highly successful people.
The ignorant rube on Tnet don't get it.
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Re: Dabo's Salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 3:46 PM
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Okay fine. Dabo keeps his fat checks, and his coaches keep their fat checks, and the program/school is happy with 3 or 4 losses each year. We make it to the irrelevant bowl games and become a mid-tier, okay program in an irrelevant conference. The powers that be will not allow that Clemson into playoffs having multiple losses in a weak conference. That’s where it’s headed. And if that’s the case, then stop charging top contender/elite prices on football tickets. Who wants to keep forking out thousands of dollars each weekend to watch Clemson have a “good game” versus an App State or a Wake Forest? You think the money Dabo is paid just comes out of nowhere?
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Valley Protector [1470]
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Re: Dabo's Salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 4:01 PM
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Nice recipe for guaranteeing eternal failure. Brilliant.
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Re: Dabo's Salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 4:08 PM
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If the OP can say that Dabo is entitled to $11 million based on past achievements while there is a current crap product on the field that fans pay small fortunes each weekend to see, why can’t I use this argument?
Fans will just stop paying their money and time. It can work both ways.
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Re: Dabo's Salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 5:29 PM
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No one is making you spend a small fortune or attend any games. That’s on you. Withhold your money, that should fix things.
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Re: Dabo's Salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 5:41 PM
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Already planning it. Most of us aren’t millionaires.
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You people really are incapable of any rational thought, aren't you?
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Re: Dabo's Salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 3:55 PM
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Pacific Beach "tiger" ain't gonna like this!
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Re: Dabo's Salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 4:03 PM
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No coaching a football team is not worth 11 million....any person...any team.
Someone like steph curry who is making 60 million a year is certainly not worth it either, people will try to fool you and point to tv numbers and revenue of team and overseas data and try to convince you that he's made billions and billions for the warriors and he is certainly worth it............no.....this is all a little magic game. playing a sports game is very insignificant to society and if the sport itself didn't even exist something will always arise in its place.
History had plenty of "athletes" and games in the past but you never here about them because games are just a distraction.
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Re: Dabo's Salary
Nov 21, 2024, 10:45 AM
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Why not?
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Re: Dabo's Salary
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You are missing the problem that CFB has, and that is that all the money is currently on the sidelines and not on the field. That has to change.
I notice you mention Ozuna, great example. He is a player, not a coach. The players have the skills that are truly scarce, and therefore valued highly. Coaching has to be a much lower paying job because far more people can do it. See: NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL....
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Re: Dabo's Salary
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Nov 20, 2024, 5:04 PM
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Several factors are in play when it comes to coaches salary's.
1. Past results.
2. Potential results.
3. Value to their school.
4. Current results.
5. Integrity of the program.
6. Graduate players.
The most important one right now is the value to Clemson. If Dabo left, the program would go back to the Bowden years. There would be a new coach every 4 years. I think he deserves a raise for the value he brings to Clemson. People will say everyone can be replaced. I really don't think Dabo can be replaced. He's worth every dollar and then some.
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You have no idea what would happen with our program if Dabo left.
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:54 AM
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However, if you are concerned with returning to the Bowden years, you should be worried about the last four years. We are trending that way NOW, with Dabo fully in charge.
Thus the concern many of us have.
This doesn’t justify $11 million a year.
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Re: You have no idea what would happen with our program if Dabo left.
Nov 21, 2024, 11:55 AM
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🤣🤣🤣🤣 coming from Brads wife!!!!
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Dabo is that you??!! You should be watching
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Nov 20, 2024, 5:36 PM
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Film on the chickens.
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Re: Dabo is that you??!! You should be watching
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Nov 20, 2024, 5:39 PM
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That’s what the secretaries are for.
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Game Changer [1950]
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Re: Dabo's Salary
Nov 21, 2024, 10:36 AM
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Thank you for the sanity...
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Asst Coach [844]
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Re: Dabo's Salary
Nov 21, 2024, 11:54 AM
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Wow! This won’t go over well! lmao
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Ring of Honor [21004]
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Despite your best efforts to make it so, it's not political.***
Nov 21, 2024, 12:10 PM
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