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Universities should make their revenue the old fashioned
Feb 21, 2013, 1:17 PM
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way.
With athletic programs.
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"And what is so different about the medical ecosystem that
Feb 21, 2013, 1:18 PM
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causes technology advances to drive bills up instead of down?"
Yeah, what the #### is that #### about?
This is an excellent article. Thanks for posting.
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Re: "And what is so different about the medical ecosystem that
Feb 21, 2013, 1:38 PM
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The piece was interesting and scary. I can see, though, how new expensive technology can drive costs up but allowing for new services that otherwise would not exist.
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Your mom has cancer, she needs a scan
Feb 21, 2013, 3:19 PM
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you want the old CT scanner, that doesn't do as many slices, more radiation, that may miss about 0.5% of metastatic tumors.
Or the new CT scanner, less radiation, and will only miss 0.1%, but cost the hospital 3 mil more?
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She'll be homeless in the end, but not dead!***
Feb 21, 2013, 3:25 PM
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Part of it is analogous to the auto industry
Feb 21, 2013, 6:48 PM
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weirdly enough IMO.
30 years ago no cars had nav systems, airbags, bluetooth, satellite radio, ABS, etc. Now everyone wants those things in their car and they cost more, but not everyone can afford it. Those who can't do without.
The problem is everybody wants everything available, esp when it comes to health care. It can't be afforded for everyone - the difficulty comes in deciding who gets what when not everyone can have everything.
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what do you think about it?
Feb 21, 2013, 1:22 PM
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#searyoos
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Honestly not sure.
Feb 21, 2013, 2:00 PM
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Crappy situation.
Everyone wants perfect health care, which doesn't exist. They also want the latest and greatest drugs/procedures/equipment/therapy.
There is a lot of dead weight and dishonesty in health care, which is sad to see. Too many chiefs in hospitals/insurance and not enough Indians.
Families aren't going to be able to sustain this increasing percentage of income taken up by health care costs - but who wants their loved ones to get less than the best care?
Hard decisions ahead.
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We all want to live longer no matter the expense.
Feb 21, 2013, 4:27 PM
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Somebody has to pay the bill. The bill is going up and up hugely, and not just for the reasons in this article.
Do we, as a society, owe it to everyone in it access to these procedures that may or may not work? Or if they do work, may only extend life a few years, or extend life at what cost to quality?
I'm just asking rhetorically. Shoot, we can't stand to allow our overage pets to die.
We all want to live longer, but at what cost and who pays it?
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Agreed.
Feb 21, 2013, 6:42 PM
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Not sure what to do either.
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At some point some hard decisions are going to have to be
Feb 21, 2013, 6:50 PM
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made.
My suspicion is that those who can afford it will get better health care, just as they do now, but that the gulf between the haves and have-nots will widen even further.
The hope is that the system won't become so expensive that only the wealthy can afford really good care.
We'll see.
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bullet to the head***
Feb 21, 2013, 1:23 PM
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moral of the story....
Feb 21, 2013, 2:04 PM
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Don't get non-Hodgkins lymphoma.
#insensitivity
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It's really not a problem. The death panels have millions
Feb 21, 2013, 2:54 PM
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of bullets. Thanks Obama.
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Re: Pretty revealing health care article:
Feb 21, 2013, 4:32 PM
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Only half way through but it is a pretty damning look at how messed up our health care system is.
Should of just expanded medicare to all citizens instead of the cut down Obamacare.
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I dont think we could afford to give everyone
Feb 21, 2013, 7:28 PM
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medicare, but I'm not sure.
Also, not all docs take medicare because it pays so little. If you tried to force them to, it may not work - a lot of primary care docs couldn't get by on medicare payments from what I understand.
Folks become docs for a lot of reasons, but part of it is to make a good living. Without that impetus, a lot of good folks would avoid the field - and talent goes where the money is.
If you start reducing a lot of primary care docs salaries even more than they are, esp in the face of hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loans to become a doc in the first place, you'll see a drop off in doc quality IMO. Why do something that takes so many years to train for with no financial pay off? Altruism doesn't cut it IMO.
This is just my opinion of course, but there is some logic behind it.
Tough situation. I guess the issue is, if you think health care is a right - esp giving everyone the best care there is - how do you afford it? Esp when you add in the fact that every advance in health care (procedures, medicines, machines, etc) costs ever more money because it's new technology.
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For starters, quit subsidizing foreign students and reduce
Feb 22, 2013, 8:24 AM
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the cost of medical school usury. That should go a long way toward addressing the student loan schtick. The medical technologies and pharmaceutical companies all receive subsidies and their only payback is higher costs for new products. If you consider that one insurance CEO alone was paid over $1.1 Billion during a ten year stretch, then it's real easy to see where the problem lies. It's not about solutions.... strictly about profits.
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