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TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 1:49 PM
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball***
Apr 15, 2022, 2:33 PM
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball***
Apr 15, 2022, 2:33 PM
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 2:38 PM
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The only tangible thing I’m reading is the “nutritional facilities” which begs the follow-up: why the flip has this not already been done! The cost is a drop in the bucket to feed the basketball team/staff. What’re we talking about - 30 people for players and staff? There are food prep facilities already on site. Caters could already be doing this. If this is what we’ve been missing everyone with any previous oversight of basketball should be dismissed. The more they talk about the basketball program the more depressing it becomes.
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 6:51 PM
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The only tangible thing I’m reading is the “nutritional facilities” which begs the follow-up: why the flip has this not already been done! The cost is a drop in the bucket to feed the basketball team/staff. What’re we talking about - 30 people for players and staff? There are food prep facilities already on site. Caters could already be doing this. If this is what we’ve been missing everyone with any previous oversight of basketball should be dismissed. The more they talk about the basketball program the more depressing it becomes.
For those who have a 3rd grade or higher level of comprehension this list is not new as it’s been posted multiple times on this site
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 10:18 PM
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It's not a list. It's a single thing. And I have not once, ever, no matter how many times I've solicited it had any of the Brad Brownell Bros (yourself included) mention that our basketball team has been denied "nutritional facilities" or a proper training table. And rather than thinking this is some kind of flex you should realize how poorly this speaks of the people running the program. This is not expensive and not complicated. It is also an area where actual performance benefits are gained - not just making players happy. It's egregious that this low cost, easily implemented service is the only specific feature that has been named as missing from our program. You can barely follow how a message board thread works and you can't string together coherent thoughts. I'd hold up on insulting levels of education/comprehension. I doubt your Mensa membership is up to date.
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Oh yeah? I’ve never seen it mentioned.
Apr 15, 2022, 11:02 PM
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And I agree with Viz, it’s a simple fix. Now is that going to amp up the energy level in LJ and put butts in seats with Brownell as the coach? Hail no.
And why do you always “quote original” when you post? It’s incredibly annoying. You know who else does that a lot? Judge Helen Keller and the weirdo who always types in all caps.
I swear you BBBros alternate spend-the-nights in your mommy’s basements and just stalk tigernet for all things clemson basketball. Losers.
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 3:08 PM
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 4:11 PM
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Really glad Clemson is investing a lot in basketball. It already shows the last couple of years. The link I posted at the very bottom shows what public schools in all the major and mid conferences spent as late as 20-21 season.
If you go to the link just put in compare with other schools tab toward the bottom right. You would put in total operating expenses for basketball for 20-21. The fact that during a covid year that Clemson is ranked 37 is saying something. Now it less than the 19-20 year but Clemson climbed from ranked 43 to 35. And look at those schools that are considered having more basketball success than Clemson. Memphis, Purdue, Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Iowa State, Kansas State, UNLV. These are schools that havae gone to Final Fours and won Nattys.
A lot of schools also dropped more than Clemson for the Covid year. Schools more known for basketball in the ACC, SEC and nationally. The fact that Clemson didn't drop as much shows it was important to hold firm on spending money even it had to cut some due to Covid. I expect these figures to even climb even more for Clemson in 21-22. Brad no longer as the excuse and need to start putting up post season success to what the rankings show.
Expenses 2020-21 1 Texas $17,738,598 2 Kentucky $17,180,834 3 Kansas $14,116,246 4 Arizona $13,586,274 5 Louisville $12,449,423 6 Indiana $11,361,335 7 Oklahoma $10,587,027 8 Ole Miss $10,544,475 9 Nebraska $10,395,527 10 Virginia $10,303,798 11 Tennessee $10,248,534 12 Auburn $9,917,358 13 Michigan State $9,606,097 14 Ohio State $9,481,027 15 Texas Tech $9,156,001 16 UCLA $9,072,651 17 Illinois $8,983,664 18 Utah $8,597,512 19 Oregon $8,528,187 20 Florida State $8,459,689 21 Alabama $8,387,815 22 Arkansas $8,201,217 23 North Carolina $8,157,849 24 Rutgers $8,014,944 25 Houston $7,963,934 26 Maryland $7,727,539 27 Connecticut $7,578,043 28 LSU $7,577,482 29 West Virginia $7,533,734 30 NC State $7,438,306 31 Missouri $7,321,237 32 Penn State $7,194,442 33 Michigan $7,178,783 34 Iowa $7,174,148 35 Florida $7,063,816 36 Arizona State $6,993,562 37 Clemson $6,794,521 38 Virginia Tech $6,706,124 39 Memphis $6,630,867 40 South Carolina $6,612,640 41 Purdue $6,605,656 42 Wisconsin $6,574,235 43 Minnesota $6,296,158 44 Mississippi State $6,260,208 45 Iowa State $6,160,639 46 Kansas State $6,098,564 47 California $5,912,460 48 Washington State $5,803,658 49 Georgia Tech $5,774,159 50 Colorado $5,156,520 51 Oklahoma State $5,097,903 52 Oregon State $5,010,897 53 UNLV $4,822,800 54 Cincinnati. $4,700,000
differences from 19-20 to 20-21 Get Results School Men's Basketball Total Operating Expenses 2019-20 Men's Basketball Total Operating Expenses 2020-21 Difference Texas $10,721,208 $17,738,598 $7,017,390 Kansas $10,968,620 $14,116,246 $3,147,626 Arizona $10,795,208 $13,586,274 $2,791,066 Oklahoma $9,669,952 $10,587,027 $917,075 Houston $7,726,256 $7,963,934 $237,678 South Alabama $1,858,093 $2,027,042 $168,949 Texas State $1,805,819 $1,857,656 $51,837 Southern Mississippi $1,885,873 $1,805,475 $-80,398 Georgia Southern $1,622,981 $1,541,356 $-81,625 Central Michigan $2,166,040 $2,063,905 $-102,135 Georgia State $2,628,398 $2,484,584 $-143,814 Penn State $7,368,414 $7,194,442 $-173,972 FIU $2,043,735 $1,866,166 $-177,569 Louisiana, Lafayette $2,561,076 $2,330,652 $-230,424 North Texas $3,029,266 $2,786,595 $-242,671 Western Kentucky $3,185,861 $2,939,169 $-246,692 UTSA $2,398,191 $2,150,124 $-248,067 San Jose State $2,598,369 $2,349,869 $-248,500 FAU $2,049,793 $1,794,893 $-254,900 Michigan $7,469,435 $7,178,783 $-290,652 Utah State $4,783,241 $4,474,902 $-308,339 New Mexico State $3,351,796 $3,040,489 $-311,307 Louisiana, Monroe $1,626,464 $1,298,504 $-327,960 Utah $8,926,637 $8,597,512 $-329,125 Toledo $2,465,023 $2,134,330 $-330,693 App State $1,978,719 $1,644,277 $-334,442 Rutgers $8,350,138 $8,014,944 $-335,194 Ball State $1,940,843 $1,566,324 $-374,519 UTEP $3,803,326 $3,411,469 $-391,857 Northern Illinois $1,668,100 $1,255,013 $-413,087 Middle Tennessee $3,151,735 $2,714,365 $-437,370 Buffalo $3,019,576 $2,569,833 $-449,743 Eastern Michigan $2,048,250 $1,478,566 $-569,684 Wyoming $3,596,687 $3,002,972 $-593,715 Virginia $10,914,228 $10,303,798 $-610,430 Boise State $3,531,302 $2,913,410 $-617,892 Colorado State $4,328,160 $3,685,315 $-642,845 Nevada $3,897,936 $3,229,484 $-668,452 Miami (Ohio) $2,322,697 $1,634,566 $-688,131 Marshall $3,001,880 $2,292,463 $-709,417 Nebraska $11,142,604 $10,395,527 $-747,077 Fresno State $3,221,377 $2,424,425 $-796,952 Bowling Green $2,622,558 $1,822,773 $-799,785 Charlotte $3,685,899 $2,886,076 $-799,823 UNLV $5,630,536 $4,822,800 $-807,736 Old Dominion $3,520,745 $2,710,776 $-809,969 New Mexico $4,143,361 $3,322,943 $-820,418 Maryland $8,563,323 $7,727,539 $-835,784 Kentucky $18,047,858 $17,180,834 $-867,024 Akron $3,087,252 $2,169,057 $-918,195 Washington State $6,778,055 $5,803,658 $-974,397 Western Michigan $2,204,126 $1,210,588 $-993,538 North Carolina $9,162,989 $8,157,849 $-1,005,140 Alabama $9,429,629 $8,387,815 $-1,041,814 East Carolina $4,065,679 $3,006,942 $-1,058,737 Mississippi State $7,373,585 $6,260,208 $-1,113,377 Clemson $7,955,154 $6,794,521 $-1,160,633 UCF $5,554,279 $4,316,642 $-1,237,637 California $7,177,831 $5,912,460 $-1,265,371 San Diego State $5,560,084 $4,256,832 $-1,303,252 Kent State $2,022,791 $697,527 $-1,325,264 South Florida $4,982,170 $3,639,124 $-1,343,046 Oregon State $6,401,055 $5,010,897 $-1,390,158 Colorado $6,568,546 $5,156,520 $-1,412,026 Iowa State $7,584,087 $6,160,639 $-1,423,448 Massachusetts $4,302,473 $2,815,093 $-1,487,380 Cincinnati $6,216,027 $4,687,781 $-1,528,246 Georgia Tech $7,318,594 $5,774,159 $-1,544,435 South Carolina $8,230,498 $6,612,640 $-1,617,858 Indiana $13,002,715 $11,361,335 $-1,641,380 Kansas State $7,741,685 $6,098,564 $-1,643,121 LSU $9,257,739 $7,577,482 $-1,680,257 Purdue $8,286,755 $6,605,656 $-1,681,099 Arkansas $9,883,017 $8,201,217 $-1,681,800 Iowa $8,857,034 $7,174,148 $-1,682,886 Oregon $10,232,395 $8,528,187 $-1,704,208 Arizona State $8,733,671 $6,993,562 $-1,740,109 Missouri $9,118,566 $7,321,237 $-1,797,329 Auburn $11,775,810 $9,917,358 $-1,858,452 Ole Miss $12,419,645 $10,544,475 $-1,875,170 Oklahoma State $7,050,752 $5,097,903 $-1,952,849 Coastal Carolina $4,079,050 $2,123,196 $-1,955,854 Wisconsin $8,607,522 $6,574,235 $-2,033,287 Florida State $10,502,885 $8,459,689 $-2,043,196 Minnesota $8,435,194 $6,296,158 $-2,139,036 Florida $9,443,199 $7,063,816 $-2,379,383 NC State $9,822,561 $7,438,306 $-2,384,255 UCLA $11,510,394 $9,072,651 $-2,437,743 Ohio State $11,979,259 $9,481,027 $-2,498,232 Illinois $11,607,632 $8,983,664 $-2,623,968 Texas Tech $11,848,111 $9,156,001 $-2,692,110 West Virginia $10,355,095 $7,533,734 $-2,821,361 Tennessee $13,114,955 $10,248,534 $-2,866,421 Virginia Tech $9,593,737 $6,706,124 $-2,887,613 Connecticut $11,240,790 $7,578,043 $-3,662,747 Memphis $11,932,659 $6,630,867 $-5,301,792 Michigan State $15,400,339 $9,606,097 $-5,794,242 Louisville $19,847,347 $12,449,423 $-7,397,924 Total $661,493,004 $556,572,660 $-104,920,344 Average $6,749,928 $5,679,312 $-1,070,616
https://www.sportico.com/business/commerce/2021/college-sports-finances-database-intercollegiate-1234646029/
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 8:02 PM
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Interestingly, Duke is not on the list. Perhaps money isn't as important as a quality coaching staff.
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 8:38 PM
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Private school...
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Eagerly awaiting the answer to my question
Apr 15, 2022, 3:43 PM
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About whether he has fired anyone.
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I don’t understand why that is relevant.
Apr 15, 2022, 3:59 PM
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He’s going to fire someone if he feels that it needs to be done. It’s part of the job.
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Re: I don’t understand why that is relevant.
Apr 15, 2022, 4:19 PM
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He’s going to fire someone if he feels that it needs to be done. It’s part of the job.
look at my post above. Clemson didn't drop near as much during a Covid year than a lot of bigger schools known for more basketball success. from what Neff says Clemson is going to climb somewhere in the top 25-30 ranked teams in spending in for this next year. Brad needs to show much more success from what those return numbers are going to indicate...
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Well, we're ahead of Coots in spending..
Apr 15, 2022, 6:47 PM
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by a slim feather!
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Re: I don’t understand why that is relevant.
Apr 15, 2022, 7:07 PM
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He’s going to fire someone if he feels that it needs to be done. It’s part of the job. look at my post above. Clemson didn't drop near as much during a Covid year than a lot of bigger schools known for more basketball success. from what Neff says Clemson is going to climb somewhere in the top 25-30 ranked teams in spending in for this next year. Brad needs to show much more success from what those return numbers are going to indicate...
How does a guy who has never set foot on campus know what Brad needs to do?
You probably don’t understand building a team through investments. Clemson has been at the bottom of the ACC for basically ever. Throwing money at the program and expecting an giant leap is silly. Yes there there needs to be improvement but it will happen over time. Building a program is also not a straight line endeavor . There will be ups and downs although the overall slope needs to remain positive
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Re: I don’t understand why that is relevant.
Apr 15, 2022, 10:21 PM
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Derp, I know this is hard for someone with a 3rd grade level of reading comprehension, derp, but the ACC of 2022 has no resemblance to the one that Clemson was at the bottom of for, derp, basically ever. So learn what a false equivalency is and stop using them, derp.
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I thought there was language in Coach Swinney's contract
Apr 15, 2022, 8:14 PM
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that would automatically bump his pay up to maintain him in the top ?? of all college football coaches? I could have imagined it, at my age, brain cells are kicking ye olde bucket at an ever increasing rate.
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Re: I thought there was language in Coach Swinney's contract
Apr 16, 2022, 10:16 AM
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That's definitely in Saban's contract, which happened around the same time as Dabo's, and they were talked about a lot side-by-side, so you might be thinking of that.
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 11:28 PM
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There is no one who values Coach Swinney more than I do, but let's not portray him as money hungry. Remember, it was not so very long ago that Coach Swinney agreed to a salary that made him the lowest paid head coach in the ACC. By all means, Clemson needs to do what is necessary to keep Dabo at Clemson, and that includes keeping him among the best compensated coaches in America, but he is not Jimbo Fisher. He is not going to jump because someone waves a bit more money in his face.
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 16, 2022, 10:03 AM
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I think we should immediately start a "GoFundMe" campaign to help Dabo out.
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 16, 2022, 6:31 PM
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Neff , how about baseball , and Coach Lee , for me i think u need to look for a new coach , Coach Lee is a small conference coach , NOT a power five coach , go get a power five coach , NOT no small college coach . Clemson under Coach Lee won 30 games this year , unless they play more Small teams , Thank you sir , and we appreciate Mr Neff , David Taylor , I have been a Clemson fan for 66 years , never went to Clemson but 100% All In ,
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 16, 2022, 10:52 PM
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So . .he doesn't know we made it to the final 8 before in Basketball? But I'm supposed to think he has control of all this? pishaw
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I’m 100% for Clemson Basketball since I was 4 years old
Apr 17, 2022, 8:10 AM
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Neff said a lot to say nothing..???? I like the guy but he’s a not rocking the boat or paddling harder to get there type of guy.
After watching Brads interview the other day, let me be honest, it turns my stomach. If it was my business and I was given a budget to work within I can’t see keeping him if it was my desire to improve on winning.
He makes every excuse in the book from yesterday to tomorrow instead of laying out a vision of how he will succeed.
I could write a page but it’s decided for now. I’m not going to complain about him or or program because he’s our coach and Clemson is my team. I will be 100% all-in but my Opinion is different than Neff’s.
That’s all, let’s go win a National Championship and a final four this next season Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 17, 2022, 4:59 PM
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Clemson's only commitment to basketball is not to pay what the Administration considers to be excessive money to a former coach. Wins and losses are irrelevant.
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