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Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?
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Orange Blooded [4299]
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Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?
Sep 4, 2018, 5:29 PM
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If so, try this... Go to work tomorrow and make a political protest (while you are on the clock, in company uniform and on company property). Do it in such a way as to garner national attention on your employer. Also, do it in a manner that is controversial to the majority of the consumers of your employer's products or services. See how long your right to "free" speech allows you to keep your job. The lesson that you will quickly learn is: protest on your own time. But even that doesn't make you safe. Just look at how many people have lost their jobs because of something they posted on twitter or facebook.
So let me express some free speech of my own... I don't care where you were born, or whether you are a natural citizen, naturalized citizen, permanent resident, illegal immigrant, or visitor - if you are not loyal to the United States of America, pledge your allegiance to it, honor it's flag, offices and institutions, then GTFO! The USA is a free country. Unlike many other countries, as long as you haven't committed major crimes, you are FREE to LEAVE.
You don't have to agree with everything, and you probably shouldn't. You are free to protest. Many good men have died to allow you the luxury of exercising that right. But when your protests become anti "American", you become the enemy of the state, and the people. You foolishly protest the institution that allows you to protest without fear of imprisonment or execution in the first place.
Kaepernick was foolish. Nike need not try to make a hero out of him. Bad Nike.
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i think Kaepernick is an ignorant follower.. but
Sep 4, 2018, 5:44 PM
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the NFL isn't the same as most joe schmoe jobs
i dont think you understand what it is to be an american. Kneeling during the national anthem is not treason, your'e not an enemy of the state. dang dude.
this whole situation has just become a big marketing scheme.
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So the first amendment doesn't apply here for you?
Sep 4, 2018, 5:47 PM
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okay, got it.
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Re: So the first amendment doesn't apply here for you?
Sep 4, 2018, 6:15 PM
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1st Amendment gives you freedom of speech, not freedom from repercussions of use of same.
Nike is learning a little of that lesson now.
You can try to spin it any way you want, but when you kneel during the Anthem, you are de facto physically disrespecting the hard won symbol of our freedom. You can claim that you are protesting something else all you want, but there it is. Don't be obstinate and stupid, find another way.
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So what other way
Sep 4, 2018, 6:40 PM
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would be just as polarizing, yet serve it's meaning without offending at least somebody?
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Re: So what other way
Sep 4, 2018, 7:00 PM
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If I even remember that far back, the original reason for this misguided protest was targeting selective police brutality, or Black Lives Matter.
So, if you are protesting the police, do it in a major city, outside the largest police station. Legally, of course, otherwise they would be only too happy to escort you inside and provide paid lodging.
Now, I am SURE that you will come back and say that this would not have had the impact of the original protest. And, you would be right. The original protest has resulted in much more jaw jacking, and bandwagon protesters, and has not accomplished one constructive thing towards solving the original problem, at least not that has made the news. All it has done is cause more division.
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Then I guess everyone should be happy with the
Sep 4, 2018, 7:15 PM
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current state of of affairs. Sounds like you have it all figured out.
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I don't have to explain any of it. Ain't free speech grand?
Sep 4, 2018, 6:53 PM
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Re: I don't have to explain any of it. Ain't free speech grand?
Sep 4, 2018, 7:16 PM
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C'mon. You have all of it figured out. Surely they must be brain washed or something...
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Re: And, how do you explain former & current military
Sep 4, 2018, 9:26 PM
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Picked a hell of a topic for a first time post. Some background: 2011 Clemson grad and proud Clemson cadet and current service member (and a diehard Clemson football fanatic). I'm not a constitutional scholar nor do I claim to be. However, I do understand that the constitution protects and provides the freedom of speech and protest to all Americans that it governs. Private companies and industries also have the right to sanction that behavior if they deem it to be detrimental behavior to their business. The NFL has taken the stand to not televise the National Anthem any longer. That is their prerogative to do so. The Dallas Cowboys have mandated that all their players will stand during the anthem, once again also their prerogative to do so. You are all right in saying that decisions and actions have consequences. Private businesses hold employees accountable for their speech constantly. Braylon Edwards for example was suspended by The Big 10 Network yesterday for social media outburts over his Michigan Wolverines performance. Long story short, a truly free country, as protected by our American constitution, allows for all means of peaceful protest and language. The protests and outbursts are not always free of consequence nor are they agreeable to all Americans sensibilities. However, speaking out against, and protesting against (to include kneeling) what you believe to be an improper action is one of the most American acts that you can undertake. Our founding fathers raised all kinds of hell protesting and yelling to form this great nation. Do I agree with the kneeling in front of the flag? Absolutely not. But it also means that his and every other players freedom to do so is still intact. That means we've done our job.
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Re: And, how do you explain former & current military
Sep 4, 2018, 10:52 PM
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To clarify what he said earlier..... freedom of speech only guarantees you will not be persecuted by the government. It’s does not guarantee you won’t be held accountable in some ways by others.nike is rewarding him..... appearsconsumers will punish Nike to some degree...
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