
Wednesday July 15, 2009
The New ACC-First Five Years; Next Five Years
The First Five Years of the New ACC
In 2004 the Atlantic Coast Conference expanded to 11 teams by adding Virginia Tech and Miami and went to 12 with the addition of Boston College the next season.
In the five years since expansion, Virginia Tech has won the conference three times with Florida State and Wake Forest winning the other two titles.
The conference spilt into divisions in the 2005 season. Boston College has won the Atlantic Division twice while Florida State and Wake Forest have one division title each.
Virginia Tech has won three of the four division titles with Georgia Tech taking home the Coastal Division once.
Here are the conference records for each ACC team since the conference expanded in 2004 (Boston College’s record is since 2005):
VT 34-9 .790
Boston College 21-13 .617
Georgia Tech 25-16 .609
Florida State 24-17 .585
Clemson 22-18 .550
Virginia 21-19 .525
Miami 20-20 .500
Wake Forest 20-21 .487
Maryland 18-22 .450
North Carolina 18-22 .450
NCSU 15-25 .375
Duke 2-38 .050
In looking at the numbers, there has been one dominant team in Virginia Tech (34-9) and one pathetic program in Duke (2-38). I was surprised to see Boston College and Georgia Tech have better winning percentages in the conference than Florida State. The Seminoles have been down but I still did not think Georgia Tech had more wins than FSU in the last five years.
I was also a little surprised to find out NC State is just 15-25. Maybe some would be surprised to see Wake Forest has a losing record in the conference since 2004. I think the public perception is that Jim Grobe and Wake Forest would have had a winning record.
I think it is fair to use Virginia Tech as the blue print in the Atlantic Coast Conference. Since joining the league the Hokies have been the model of consistency. They are 16-4 at home and 16-4 on the road in the conference since 2004. They are 2-1 in neutral site ACC games which are the conference title games.
I was not surprised to see the Hokies were 16-4 at home in the ACC but was shocked to find out they had the same record on the road. I think the perception was the Hokies played very well at home but had not performed that well on the road.
Their success on the road is probably supporting evidence to those that claim defense, special teams and the running game can lead to wins on the road.
When the conference announced expansion, like many others, I believed Miami would have been a powerhouse and the Hurricanes would have been perennial ACC title contenders along with FSU, Virginia Tech and maybe Clemson. We were wrong about the Canes but I think few would have thought Miami would not have a winning conference record in the first five years of the league.
The Next Five Years of the New ACC
Here is what I could expect over the next five years in the ACC:
Virginia Tech-This is the most consistent program in the league because of their staff and the identity of the program. Tech’s facilities are first class and there is enough talent in the area to continue the success. I am not sure they can go 34-9 or win three of the next five ACC championships but they should be the top program in the league over the next five seasons.
Boston College-Eventually staff turnover will hurt this program. The Eagles are on their third head coach in the last four seasons. In my opinion this program benefitted from some terrific stars but graduation will hurt. I just don’t see Boston College maintaining its success.
Georgia Tech-This is the hot team in the league based upon last year’s 9-4 record with the new staff and offensive overhaul. I think Tech will have some excellent seasons in the next five seasons but I am not sold that this will be the best program in the ACC.
Florida State-This one is difficult to predict. It is hard to imagine the Seminoles being any worse than they have for the past five seasons. However, how long will Bowden hang around and what will the transition look like under Jimbo Fisher?
Clemson-I think it is safe to say Clemson has underachieved over the last five seasons. I expect the Tigers to improve and win more than 22 ACC games over the next five seasons.
Virginia-The short-term future looks dark in my opinion. I don’t believe Al Groh will be around in five years and the long-term outlook will depend on who succeeds Groh.
Miami-The talent level should mean more wins. I still have reservations about the staff and a lot will depend on the two new coordinators. Miami can’t go 20-20 over the next five years. Look for improvement here.
Wake Forest-Wake is limited in so many ways but Jim Grobe is a miracle worker. If Grobe hangs around, Wake Forest will continue to improve. If not, all bets are off.
Maryland-Ralph Friedgen is one of the top coaches in America. He fixes problems as well as any coach. I am not sure James Franklin can do what Friedgen has done.
North Carolina-Butch Davis has made strides here and the Tar Heels should be title contenders over the next few seasons. This staff recruits well and the program is attractive enough to continue the improvement.
NC State-Tom O’Brien made the move from Boston to Raleigh and was close to losing the fan base in his first two seasons by going 11-14. But he is 2-0 against North Carolina and has recruited well so far. I would be shocked if NC State is not the most improved team in the league over the next five year. They will win many more than the 15 ACC games they won in the first five years of the new conference.
Duke-How do you not improve on a 2-38 record? Duke may not be a power but David Cutcliffe is a good one that will certainly improve this awful program. No titles but improve is near.
Who knows what will happen the in September of 2009 but here is the way-too-early prediction for the next five years in the ACC:
VT 28-12
Georgia Tech 26-14
Florida State 26-14
Clemson 26-14
Miami 23-17
North Carolina 23-17
NC State 23-17
Wake Forest 20-20
Maryland 15-25
Boston College 13-27
Virginia 12-28
Duke 5-35
ACC Titles
Virginia Tech 2, Georgia Tech 1, Florida State 1, Clemson 1
Atlantic Division Titles
Florida State 2, Clemson 2, NC State 1
Coastal Division Titles
Virginia Tech 2, Georgia Tech 1, North Carolina 1, Miami 1
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I am not drinking the GT coolaide, and think their offense will become less and less effective as teams become more familiar with it. I would give tech a few less victories and UNC and Miami a few more. From most to least victoies, I would have to say:
VT
FSU
Miami
Clemson
UNC
GT
NCSU
Wake
BC
MD
UVA
Duke
Posted by Locotiger on July 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM EDT #
Who lost to Duke in football? They have 2 wins.
Posted by you on July 15, 2009 at 01:17 PM EDT #
I think your five years records are fairly respectable predictions.
Just in looking at the math, excluding title games, playing 8 per year averaging 5-3 yields a 25-15 record. My change from your numbers would be UNC, I think they do better by a game or two and in exchange would take one from VTech. Here is the thing with VTech you have to consider, they have not had to contend with the same Miami-VT-UNC they will have to contend with over the next five years. Regardless of where anyone stands on how good these programs will be I think we all agree all 3 will be better than the prior five years. That eats into VT's win total. Frankly, I though GT and UNC were both better last year and both games against VT gave me the impression if they played 10 GT and UNC would have won 8.
Posted by truetiger1998 on July 15, 2009 at 01:36 PM EDT #
Re: you
Please don't ask that question. Were you not a Clemson fan in 2004 or do you just have a selective memory? Man, that one hurt...
Posted by ethosiii on July 15, 2009 at 01:43 PM EDT #
Have you not started the past several seasons with a blog and or radio show explaining how Tommy and the Tigers had not underachieved? Glad it is "safe to say" now...
Posted by CM Shack on July 15, 2009 at 02:54 PM EDT #
Disagree with you Locotiger.....
Used to what? The 3 different formations and 10 basic plays Tech runs? Every coach and player has known what the triple option is since they began playing JV football. You know what's coming, you just can't stop it. Paul Johnson has been running this thing for years and nobody has ever stopped it before. You can prepare all you want to for their offense, but ultimately it comes down to assignment football and athleticism.... these things come with mental toughness and talent/speed, NOT time to prepare. This isn't like figuring out a pitcher in baseball or finding a player's tell in poker.
Posted by JagerTiger on July 15, 2009 at 03:12 PM EDT #
Nice analysis and good forecast. Unfortunatley, if Mickey's forecast is correct, then Clemson will remain upper-mediocre, basically just like we have been under Bowden for the last decade-- although we'd take home one ACC title every five years, which would be an improvement. It's too depressing to think about. I need a glass of orange Kool-Aid and a nap so that I can dream about Clemson becoming a top tier team like VT (which used to be a cupcake when I went to Clemson).
I'm looking forward to the upcoming blog about rejecting mediocrity.
Posted by Razzmatazz on July 15, 2009 at 03:14 PM EDT #
Jager: I agree that everybody knows how to defend the option on paper and on film. But in my experience (as a guy who defended against a lot of option-offenses back when they were popular) it's a LOT easier to defend the option if you play against it every day or every week than if you defend it once a year. Practice makes perfect.
LSU had 4 weeks to get ready for GT and held GT to its lowest score and one of its lowest rushing totals of the season. Maybe that's a coincidence. We'll see next bowl season.
Miami has 10 days to prepare for GT's offense and Clemson has 5 days to prepare for GT (unless Steele spends time on the option before the MTSU game) so maybe we'll get two more data points before bowl season.
Posted by Razzmatazz on July 15, 2009 at 03:29 PM EDT #
poop
Posted by otisman on July 15, 2009 at 05:14 PM EDT #
Mickey,if your prediction about Clemson is right over the next 5 years,Dabo wont be the head coach because 26-14 is still mediocre.
Posted by cubobby80 on July 16, 2009 at 07:37 AM EDT #
Mickey,
The intersting thing about Clemson is that if we manage to have a great year (10 or 11 wins and top 10 final rank), our recruiting will climb considerably. Unlike a MD or Wake success means real tangible differences. No doubt it is a stretch to expect this many wins but WHEN it happens, expect Clemson to win allot of ACC champs and some good bowls. If we only win 9 games a year, your prediction looks pretty good.
Posted by Smplman on July 16, 2009 at 11:57 AM EDT #
Everybody always says the option is easy to defend and it won't be long before GT's obsolete offense is figured out and everyone can stop it. Personally I think the problem in defending the option is not that it's any tougher to defend its that teams these days don't practice defending it except the week before they play GT. If you spend all your time practicing against the spread anything different is going to give you problems. That's why the first teams to switch to the new thing do so well but teams that try to imitate too late have less luck.
Posted by kiggity on July 16, 2009 at 03:03 PM EDT #
Interesting analysis of GT's option and how clueless UGA's DC Martinez was in stopping it:
http://thebirddog.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/other-peoples-rivalries-and-the-futility-of-defending-against-the-wishbone/
Posted by william on July 16, 2009 at 10:03 PM EDT #