
Monday December 17, 2007
Rich Rod
Rich Rod
As I watched Rich Rodriguez’s press conference in Ann Arbor, MI this morning I went online to see what West Virginia and Michigan fans were thinking of the hire. The Michigan fans were excited but as expected the West Virginia fans were irate. They were ripping Rodriguez. There were some that even went to the airport and screamed at him and his family as they were leaving last night.
I wondered what Clemson fan’s reaction would have been and how the fans here would have handled it. I went back and thought about the head coaches here and how their tenure ended and came to some conclusions based upon history.
We almost had that situation a few weeks ago when Arkansas flirted with Tommy Bowden and I know some would have welcomed the move and some would have been heartbroken.
From a football standpoint a Clemson coach has only left to take another job on a few occasions. I don’t know of anyone to ask how they felt when John Heisman left over 100 years ago but it probably helped his cause that the internet was still several generations away. Heisman probably took the train but I could not imagine a lot of Clemson fans yelling their frustrations at the legendary coach as he rolled out of town. Heisman went 19-3-2 at Clemson, so could you imagine if a highly successful coach like that left Clemson today to take the job at Georgia Tech?
In 1930, Josh Cody left to go to Vanderbilt but he was going back to his alma mater and was going to be an assistant football coach and head basketball coach. Cody was a very popular figure at Clemson but let’s face it, this was a different era.
In 1940, Jess Neely left for Rice after a successful stint at Clemson. Neely is now in the college football Hall of Fame but made most of his impact at Rice. Again this is a different time and place.
Coach Howard, Hootie Ingram and Red Parker did not leave for other jobs but in 1978 Charley Pell made the biggest move.
Pell’s departure was one of the most controversial until ten years later when Danny Ford resigned. Pell got Clemson back in the national picture in college football and the program was on a roll. There were rumors of his flirting with the University of Florida but denied the reports and rumors. The day before he left the program he was on upstate TV broadcast denying any interest in the Florida job but the next day he was introduced as the head coach of the Gators. Clemson’s AD at the time Bill McLellan said he was told 30 minutes before Pell left that he was not leaving.
Hindsight tells us that everything worked out OK for Clemson anyway. Danny Ford was named the head coach a few days later and success continued and the program was even escalated. However, for a few weeks Tiger fans ripped Pell. I can remember the Clemson song that came out around the time of the Gator Bowl when it said, “Give ‘em Hell Coach Pell! Give ‘em Hell Coach Pell!” then exclaimed, “Ah Hell. Just give ‘em Coach Pell.”
Fans were bitter and Pell’s name was mud in these parts.
We were hurt but if we were not biased then we would have admitted that the move made sense. Pell went to a better program and made more money. Again, it seemed to work out OK for both of us.
In basketball Press Maravich left Clemson before my time so I must defer to more experienced Tiger fans. It would have been nice to have had Pistol Pete in your record book though.
Most of us remember Rick Barnes leaving like it was yesterday. Barnes had turned the Clemson program around and fans loved the guy. He was “one of us.” Barnes made Clemson fans feel good about Tiger basketball. He stood up for Clemson.
The Sweet 16 was nice and the win in Rupp Arena was special. I loved seeing the Tigers ranked as high as we were at the times and who could forget the Wake Forest game in 1997? But to me the defining moment of Barnes’ Clemson career was when he got into it with North Carolina legend Dean Smith. Barnes said what every Clemson fan had felt for years and we all loved seeing him stand up for us and our program against the evil empire and Smith.
When Barnes left he and his wife made some stupid statements about the education in our state but that was just an excuse. Many people in the community were hurt because they loved the guy. He was a hero to Tiger fans and the idea of him leaving us just hurt. But if we were honest with ourselves we would have understood the move. Texas is a better job and the money was terrific. Barnes did the right thing when he headed to Austin and the truth be known he probably should have taken other jobs before like the Ohio State job.
West Virginia fans are like the rest of us. When we look in the mirror we see something different than others see. When I look in the mirror I don’t see a 212-pounder but the scales don’t lie and a 36-inch waist is nothing to be proud of.
Pell was right when he thought Florida was a better opportunity and Barnes did the right thing when he traded in his Clemson orange for the burnt orange of Texas. Some Mountaineers will never admit it but Michigan is a much better job than West Virginia.
It is funny how things work out though. If Tulane had done the right thing then Rodriguez would have never spent two years in Clemson. Had Pell stayed at Clemson who knows what would have happened to Danny Ford.
We have been lucky here that coaches usually like it here and don’t leave for other jobs but it will happen again sometime. In the end, you are what you are and the mirror is not the best place to judge it. The scales are much more scientific and reliable.

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"Barnes did the right thing when he headed to Austin."
So many ways to interpret and question this statement. Did he do the right thing because it was time for him to leave Tigertown - because, underneath it all, he'd started to wear out his welcome?
Never mind FANS booing a departing coach - remember that a couple players from that Sweet 16 team, including Tony Christie and Iker Iturbe, were LEAVING Clemson before Barnes resigned and Shyatt took over.
Posted by tomerafan on December 17, 2007 at 03:10 PM EST #
Mick, in glancing at the WV boards, I noticed there are the normal posts when a coach leaves about a coach having marriage problems and affairs. Many are accusing Rich of such things and saying a divorce is on the horizon. It seems to me when a coach leaves for another job, suddenly people come out of the woodwork with certain knowledge the departed coach was cheating on his wife. I really don't care for that, and it reflects badly on the fans, IMO.
Posted by Newberry Tiger on December 17, 2007 at 03:23 PM EST #
I guess the main issue with Rich Rod leaving West Virginia is the fact that he is a West Virginia man and the perception may be that he is leaving home for more money at Michigan. That probably does not set well with the West Virginia faithful. Hey, Tommy Bowden is a West Virginia man also. Would he have gone to West Virginia if this had taken place 2-3 weeks ago? Who knows. Departing coaches is something that happens everyday. What happened to the "only a Michigan man will coach Michigan"? I guess they are looking for someone who can consistently beat Ohio State! Rich Rod may be that man!
Posted by TRTIGERFAN on December 17, 2007 at 03:25 PM EST #
Mick, in glancing at the WV boards, I noticed there are the normal posts when a coach leaves about a coach having marriage problems and affairs. Many are accusing Rich of such things and saying a divorce is on the horizon. It seems to me when a coach leaves for another job, suddenly people come out of the woodwork with certain knowledge the departed coach was cheating on his wife. I really don't care for that, and it reflects badly on the fans, IMO.
Posted by Newberry Tiger on December 17, 2007 at 03:26 PM EST #
We didn't beat Kentucky in Rupp Arena. That game was played at a neutral site.
Posted by Pawless on December 17, 2007 at 03:58 PM EST #
"Barnes did the right thing when he headed to Austin."
So many ways to interpret and question this statement. Did he do the right thing because it was time for him to leave Tigertown - because, underneath it all, he'd started to wear out his welcome?
Never mind FANS booing a departing coach - remember that a couple players from that Sweet 16 team, including Tony Christie and Iker Iturbe, were LEAVING Clemson before Barnes resigned and Shyatt took over.
Posted by tomerafan on December 17, 2007 at 04:00 PM EST #
At the time Coach Pell left for Florida it's very arguable that he left for a better program. In the 3 years prior to Pell the taking job, Doug Dickeys teams went 8-4 6-4 4-7 and Pell's first team went 0-10-1 in 1979. Once the player buying kicked in, Pell's teams began to excell winning 8 games in year 2.
Posted by milerock on December 17, 2007 at 04:13 PM EST #
Mickey,
Maybe you can help dispel a rumor. Rumor is that, at the end of the regular season, RR was making it known through his agent that he was waiting to see if TB stayed on because he wanted to CU job. Now that RR has left, certain CU fans are saying we could have had RR here at CU. I think the whole rumor is BS, but also think that RR would have chosen MI over CU job in any event. Got any info?
Posted by Sloantap on December 17, 2007 at 04:15 PM EST #
Mickey --- No matter where in the ACC Press Maravich was coaching, it was unlikely that Pete would have gained admitance. He would not have gotten into Clemson, and was not going to get into NC State.
When Press took the job at LSU, it was the best thing for both of the Maraviches at the time.
I believe Pete is actually in the Clemson record book though ... for most opponents points scored in LJ.
Posted by apextiger on December 17, 2007 at 04:17 PM EST #
Was the money really better at Texas? Could Clemson not have matched it? Is Texas's past that much better than Clemson in basketball? Is the ACC better than the Big 12?
Posted by The Bad+Andino on December 17, 2007 at 06:17 PM EST #
the win over UK was at the RCA Dome.
Posted by 90tiger on December 17, 2007 at 07:56 PM EST #
Bill Foster coached a Clemson team that did win at Rupp Arena. NIT game as I recall.
Posted by bbrown cren on December 17, 2007 at 11:15 PM EST #
Did Rich Rod get a hair transplant? I remember him being bald headed. He is living in "high cotton".
Posted by OldManTiger on December 18, 2007 at 12:18 PM EST #
When you really peel back the onion, it's hard to say that Pell and Barnes left Clemson for greener pastures--but you could get away with saying that both programs are perhaps higher profile (in terms of national recognition) than Clemson's.
Posted by LoneStarTiger on December 18, 2007 at 11:07 PM EST #
Part of the reason the football pratices were closed to the public, was Rich Rod used a lot of profanity along with another coach when he was at Clemson.
Posted by littledenny 37 on December 19, 2007 at 10:16 AM EST #