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Thursday April 17, 2008

Coastal; ACC-SEC Challenge

Coastal
I can’t remember exactly where I was when I found out Clemson had signed a two year agreement to play a home and home with Texas A&M but I can remember getting excited when I heard the news.

I do remember a fall night a few years ago I was in Chesnee, SC to watch a high school football game to scout an opposing high school prospect. I was in the parking lot of the Hardees across the street from the high school when I got a call from someone inside the athletic department. The phone call was to inform me that Clemson and Georgia had agreed to renew their rivalry in football.

Today it seems harder and harder to get an out of conference opponent and I usually temper my enthusiasm when I hear a new big name opponent because the games are usually so far off and I understand how easy the schools get out of the contracts.

Clemson has signed to play Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Auburn and others but I am not sure if those games will ever happen. I think I am right by saying the Oklahoma series has already been cancelled.

I guess it is kind of like opening a present on Christmas Day and there is a letter inside that says you will get a big present in six or seven years but there is a chance you might not get it at all. It also reminds me of the sign on the wall behind the bar at the Esso that says, “Free Beer Tomorrow.”

Don’t get me wrong, I had a terrific time in College Station, TX and loved the return trip the Aggies made the following year. But those trips are few and far between.

Therefore, I understand the Coastal Carolina game and I have no problems with it. Some will complain about any Division I-AA opponent but I don’t think there is much difference between playing Furman or Coastal instead of UNLV or Ball State. I was told Central Michigan was a bowl team the last two years but they were awful in their game here last fall.

Why not play The Citadel, Furman, Coastal Carolina, Wofford or South Carolina State once a year?

The ACC-SEC Challenge
On this morning’s radio show I came up with the solution to the entire out of conference scheduling problems for any team in the ACC and SEC. Please take a look at the ACC/SEC Football Challenge:

*We will not start until 2013. This gives each school enough time to straighten out their schedules and no player on scholarship will play so it gives each school enough time to prepare its personnel.

*Some of the ACC/SEC Football Challenge will look like the ACC/Big Ten Challenge in basketball.

*Each school will block out the last weekend in August to open the season with the challenge.

*The schools will be ranked 1-12 in each conference in a vote by the coaches after spring practice. I would say May 1 the vote would take place and we would know the schedule for the event on that day each year.

*The games will be played at four neutral sites: Atlanta, Charlotte, Jacksonville and New Orleans. The NFL season would not start until the following week so these venues will be available.

*Each site will host a game on Friday, a game on Saturday and a game on Sunday.

*The top games will rotate each year. For example, New Orleans would get the top seeds in 2013, Jacksonville in 2014, Charlotte in 2015 and Atlanta in 2015.

Here is an example of what the 2013 event would look like:

ACC Seeds (Hypothetical for the 2013 season)
1. Miami
2. Florida State
3. Clemson
4. Virginia Tech
5. North Carolina
6. NC State
7. Georgia Tech
8. Boston College
9. Virginia
10. Wake Forest
11. Maryland
12. Duke

SEC Seeds
1. LSU
2. Florida
3. Georgia
4. Alabama
5. Tennessee
6. Auburn
7. Arkansas
8. South Carolina
9. Ole Miss
10. Mississippi State
11. Kentucky
12. Vanderbilt

Friday
Atlanta 12 seeds at 7 PM Duke-Vanderbilt
Charlotte 11 seeds at 7 PM Maryland-Kentucky
Jacksonville 10 seeds at 9 PM Wake Forest-Mississippi State
New Orleans 9 seeds at 9 PM Virginia-Ole Miss

Saturday
Atlanta 5 seeds at Noon North Carolina-Tennessee
Charlotte 6 seeds at 3 PM NC State-Auburn
Jacksonville 7 seeds at 6 PM Georgia Tech-Arkansas
New Orleans 8 seeds at 9 PM Boston College-South Carolina

Sunday
Atlanta 4 seeds at Noon Virginia Tech-Alabama
Charlotte 3 seeds at 3 PM Clemson-Georgia
Jacksonville 2 seeds at 6 PM FSU-Florida
New Orleans 1 seeds at 9 PM Miami-LSU

*Some problems may arrive like the FSU-FL game and Clemson-Georgia in 2013. In those cases you would switch the teams so FSU would play Georgia and Clemson would play Florida.

*Regular season rivals would not play each other in the challenge. For example, Clemson could not play South Carolina, Georgia would never play Georgia Tech and Florida would never play FSU.

*Friday night you would have to play four games and start two at the same times because of TV. One thing that could work is play two of the games on Labor Day.

*With games starting at Noon, 3 PM, 6 PM and 9 PM, the end of some games may run over but this is the only way it would work on Saturday and Sunday. So ESPN 2 would broadcast the noon and 6 PM games while ESPN gets the 3 PM and 9PM games.

*There would also be consideration for teams that play in the same venue or play the same teams repeatedly. So, I say you can’t play the same team twice in a row. Vanderbilt could not play Duke two straight years. Instead they would get Maryland or the next seeded teams. The same applies for the upper seeded teams.

*I think they teams need to travel and play at different venues each year also. I think they would want to give the fans and teams a different trip each year.

*Tickets would be in high demand so I would handle each session like a regional in basketball. When your team plays you will receive more tickets but the non-competing teams would also get a chance to buy tickets at the sites. I think a trip to New Orleans to see three football games in three days would be marketable. New Orleans would get Virginia-Ole Miss, Boston College-South Carolina and Miami-LSU. Try getting a ticket to those games!



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Comments:

I like the idea, but I think the flaw in your system is seeding...it's almost impossible to accurately predict which teams will be good in 5-6 years. The ACC/Big 10 challenge is easier to schedule because they can go by last year's record.

I think they should try to do a "regional" or schedule with games like Miami/UF, UGA/Clemson, SC/UNC, etc.

Posted by clemsonguy2 on April 17, 2008 at 11:08 AM EDT #

what about the fields at Charlotte and Jacksonville being torn to pieces by the sunday game??

Why do we have to do it like regionals? Why not just do it like ACC/Big 10 and have home and away each year???

Posted by fowlerj43 on April 17, 2008 at 12:07 PM EDT #

"Why not play The Citadel, Furman, Coastal Carolina, Wofford or South Carolina State once a year?"

Because as an IPTAY member I am required to pay $30, $35, $40, $45 per ticket to see a glorified scrimmage. Maybe I live in a different world, but I'd happily pay $60 plus per game to play teams that are traditional powers (GA, FLA, TX, etc). At least then I feel like I recieved some value for my dollar(s).

Posted by CUTIGER3 on April 17, 2008 at 12:19 PM EDT #

TDP is on record saying that CU will lose money on the Bama game b/c it is a neutral site.

Hmmm...
Average ticket price for Bama is $82.
Multiply by 35,000 = $2.8M
Ticket price for other nc games is $35.
Multiply by 80,000 = $2.8M

Posted by you on April 17, 2008 at 12:30 PM EDT #

Eventhough it is pointless to debate rankings 5 years away, how could you possible rank VA Tech ahead of us?? They have destroyed us two years in a row.

Posted by tigers3819 on April 17, 2008 at 01:25 PM EDT #

In response to "You": You have to take into account travel costs for the team for the game in Atlanta vs a home game where no travel/lodging is involved. That being said, I would think 2.8M plus whatever TV revenue we get would cover travel costs but then I'm not paying the bills.

Posted by Orange on April 17, 2008 at 02:26 PM EDT #

Wow. You'll let anyone off the hook. If we had an athletic department with any balls, we would get good OOC games.

Posted by theUrinator on April 17, 2008 at 02:37 PM EDT #

Very few ACC teams travel well enough for something like this to happen. Clemson, Florida State, and VTech are probably the only teams that you could depend on to bring fans.

Looking at the twelve theoretical matchups, Clemson-Georgia and FSU-Florida State are the only games where the attendance would be fairly even.

For something like this to happen at neutral sites I think roughly equal attendance would be a primary factor. The SEC is head and shoulders above the ACC in attendance and traveling.

Posted by DEBO on April 17, 2008 at 02:54 PM EDT #

Mickey - You have no probelm with Costal Carolina? Come on, really? I think you rationalized too much on this one. Playing CC is a big problem from the standpoint of 90% of Clemson fans.

Posted by PokerTiger on April 18, 2008 at 06:40 AM EDT #

I would love to see an SEC/ACC challenge. However, I do not think it will ever happen. The SEC already complains about having to play in the hardest conference, it would be hard for some of the schools to sign off on playing the ACC in a non-conference game. I just don't see it ever happening. But since we are dreaming the only thing that I would change from your proposal is to have the games played at the schools stadium. However to keep the seeding system and to assure that each team plays at home every other year every ACC team would host the games one year and the next year all of the SEC teams will play at home.

Posted by ErskineGrad on April 18, 2008 at 06:53 PM EDT #

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