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Tuesday April 08, 2008

Big Deal or Not?

Big Deal or Not?
When you get up at 5:00 AM every morning going to bed after 10 o’clock usually doesn’t cross your mind. Since my family and friends know that, my phone usually doesn’t ring past 10 PM.

Last night was different because I was up and my phone did ring. I was up watching the national championship basketball game and the phone call was about the game. Well, not actually the game. It was about “The Sticker.”

At the time when I first saw Roy Williams sitting in the Kansas section with a huge Jayhawk sticker on his shirt I thought I might have been the only man in America who thought it was odd. I thought it was strange. I thought it was bizarre but above all I thought it was wrong.

Since that phone call I have received a bunch of phone calls, both on my radio show and off of the air from a couple of coaches. Most of the fans had a problem with it but the coaches did not. The disparity between fans’ and coaches’ views on the subject should not be a shock but let’s look at a couple of reasons why he would do it and let’s also look closer to home to see how it would go over here in Clemson Nation.

I understand Roy Williams’ history at North Carolina. He grew up in North Carolina and went to the University of North Carolina. He was an assistant coach for 11 years under Dean Smith at North Carolina. So I understood when he was the head coach at Kansas why he would openly pull for North Carolina when the Heels were not playing Kansas.

I also understand Williams’ history at Kansas. He was the head coach for 15 years at Kansas and he should have feelings for his former team.

But in my opinion, I don’t see the need to wear the Frog Horn Leg Horn Kansas logo last night. It was pointed out to me that in 1991 Dean Smith sat in the Kansas section and openly pulled for Kansas after his team lost to the Jayhawks in the tournament. I say this is different because it was Smith’s alma mater. Remember, Williams did not go to school at Kansas.

I can also see why some would say it is a classy move but if I were a Tar Heel (Thank the good Lord I am not) I would have a huge problem with it.

Actually I have never understood the whole concept that Dean Smith had by not wanting to play against his alma mater or against any of his former assistants. When Eddie Fogler was at South Carolina he would cringe at the idea of facing USC but I never bought into that. I never had a brother but would have loved to compete against him. We have had how many Bowden Bowls now? Think they Bowden boys have competed against each other?

Coaches point out that this is a business and coaches have to move or stay put based upon what is best for their families. I get that too. However, I would ask this, “How would this play over in the real world?”

Let’s say you work for the marketing department at Pepsi for 15 years as the vice-president in charge of marketing but Coke decides to hire you to head their marketing efforts. How would it go over if you showed up to work the next day in Pepsi apparel? Think a former employee for Budweiser could still wear the Bud shirt around the office if he went to work at Miller?

So I ask Clemson nation, how would you feel if Dayton put Clemson out of the tournament in the semi-finals and Purnell showed up at the finals wearing Flyer gear?

Think Clemson fans would mind if Tommy Bowden got beat by West Virginia to end the regular season and showed up at their bowl in Mountaineer clothes?

Jack Leggett was a big part of the Keith LeClair deal at Western Carolina last year and the dedication of the field and LeClair’s ALS battle is a different scenario but Jack did not don Catamount gear.

The coaches are people and they have family and friends. I understand Williams had a daughter graduate from Kansas and it was probably a classy move. I know he has more class than the fans at West Virginia who took things too far when Rich Rodriguez left for Michigan. But we are still fans. We are fanatical. We don’t see family and friends as part of the equation. We see our school and our school colors only.

Clemson and South Carolina have shared a lot of coaches through the years. I have talked to Tommy West, Miles Aldridge, Clyde Christenson, Woody McCorvey, Rick Stockstill and Brad Scott about coaching on both sides of our rivalry and each has a different take on the subject but I understood each position.

I remember vividly when Rick Stockstill accepted a position to coach under Lou Holtz at South Carolina. Stock and I were friends since 1989. In 2004 he took the job in Columbia and it was the best move for him, Sarah, Brent and Emily but I will never forget the conversation we had when he told me he was going to be a Gamecock. He told me things would be different. I said, “No way!” I told him I was an adult and that is crazy. I told him I thought nothing of it because we had been friends for 15 years and the Clemson-South Carolina rivalry was not bigger than our friendship. I tried to convince him that things were not going to be different but he would have nothing to do with that talk. Stock told me we could act like they weren’t but the truth is things would be different between us. You know what? He was right.

As fans we don’t see all of the details of a move. We ignore the fact that these coaches are humans. We take our loyalty to our school much too far often times and act like children. We let school colors blind what really matters in this world.

Tar Heel fans should look at Roy Williams today the same way they always have. He is a first class guy that we could learn a lot from. UNC fans should be thankful they have a great coach and overlook the sticker. But, to be totally honest with you, I could not do it if I were a Tar Heel. I am just thankful this morning that it was not Purnell or Bowden in those shoes or we may have issues here in Clemson Nation.

Would you have a problem with it?



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Comments:

Didn't you used to claim to be a Florida fan?

Hypocrite.

Posted by otisman on April 08, 2008 at 12:29 PM EDT #


I would definitely have a problem with it. This lovefest between Dean Smith disciples and UNC is sickening. I just hope we never hire anyone that has been a part of the Tarheel basketball program. Dean Smith is almost held up as a deity.

Posted by CarmelTig on April 08, 2008 at 12:37 PM EDT #


NO BIG DEAL. It's the National Championship game. He loved to coach there, he still likes the school. NOT a big deal. Now if he was wearing that shirt while UNC was playing Kansas, then it would have been a big deal. He is just showing some pride in his former job and what he accomplished.

Posted by hocysk8er723 on April 08, 2008 at 12:47 PM EDT #


Roy Williams coached at Kansas for 15 years. Also, Carolina and Kansas are not even in the same conference, and really only play one another when they happen to meet in the NCAA tournament. It is NOT a big deal. Now, it would be a different story had it been Duke and not Kansas.

Also, is it impossible for someone to pull for multiple schools? You probably would not pull for Clemson and USC, but you might pull ofr Clemson and a team from another region whom we rarely play.

Posted by Locotiger on April 08, 2008 at 12:47 PM EDT #


Who the heck is Frog Horn Leg Horn?
Perhaps you meant Foghorn Leghorn, the rooster created by WB?
They look nothing alike.

Posted by GoodFella on April 08, 2008 at 12:49 PM EDT #


One last thing. You talk about competition with your brother and how the Bowdens do it. You can enjoy it to a certain limit. You might be playing your brother on the golf course or in back yard wiffle ball. Now what if you were in a competition with him, and who ever lost, lost their daily job and income. Would it be as much fun then? To know that once you beat your son or brother, he might be fired? Would that be fun to you when the stakes are so high?

Posted by hocysk8er723 on April 08, 2008 at 12:51 PM EDT #


I think it calls into question, the Tar Holes effort or the lack thereof, against Kansas! I would be p.o.ed if I were a UNC fan!

Posted by captron on April 08, 2008 at 01:26 PM EDT #


If we make it to the Final Four and lose in the semifinals - I don't care if OP dresses as the Mascot of the team that beats us. He could put on a spandex top and a short skirt and lead cheers for them.

Will I ever see a Clemson basketball team in the Final 4? I don't know, but I believe OP can take us there - if we ever make it I hope he's coaching in the Final instead of sitting in the stands and cheering for the team that beat us.

Posted by NativeClemsonite on April 08, 2008 at 01:36 PM EDT #


Maybe Roy just lost the bet?

If UNC won, Bill might have been there in baby blue.

Posted by tigerP94 on April 08, 2008 at 01:39 PM EDT #


It is simple.

Roy Williams is a PEOPLE PLEASER!!!

Posted by CU08 on April 08, 2008 at 01:44 PM EDT #


I dont see a problem with that. He worked there for 15 yrs, his daughter graduated there. KU is not a conference foe. He has every right to root for them if he wants. Back OFF!

Posted by drock4484 on April 08, 2008 at 02:01 PM EDT #


I know as a teacher I will wear many different colors over my years. If I teach a student in 9th grade and I leave to go to a different school and its a rival school I would route for him if my team was no longer playing. It's only a big deal since CBS decided to show him and its a news story now. These little things are petty. Imagine being at a place for 15 years. Alum or not that is a lot of history and memories.

Posted by jgreenaw79 on April 08, 2008 at 02:02 PM EDT #


I know as a teacher I will wear many different colors over my years. If I teach a student in 9th grade and I leave to go to a different school and its a rival school I would route for him if my team was no longer playing. It's only a big deal since CBS decided to show him and its a news story now. These little things are petty. Imagine being at a place for 15 years. Alum or not that is a lot of history and memories.

Posted by jgreenaw79 on April 08, 2008 at 02:08 PM EDT #


I know as a teacher I will wear many different colors over my years. If I teach a student in 9th grade and I leave to go to a different school and its a rival school I would route for him if my team was no longer playing. It's only a big deal since CBS decided to show him and its a news story now. These little things are petty. Imagine being at a place for 15 years. Alum or not that is a lot of history and memories.

Posted by jgreenaw79 on April 08, 2008 at 02:10 PM EDT #


I guess it gets pretty hard to come up with a column at times.

Posted by cundvale on April 08, 2008 at 03:18 PM EDT #


Who Cares?????

Posted by 71PR on April 08, 2008 at 04:38 PM EDT #


No problem with Roy cheering for Kansas but to do so at the game wearing a Kansas sticker after having gotten slaughtered two days prior by the same Kansas team was classless, clueless and disrespectful to his team. And, I am not a fan of UNC or Kansas. Just don't think in that situation at that time it was smart or necessary, either.

Posted by bparent on April 08, 2008 at 04:49 PM EDT #


Can we PLEASE talk about football?

My goodness. No one cares about basketball... Ever.

Thks,

Mgt.

Posted by dchinners on April 08, 2008 at 06:22 PM EDT #


I would have to say that I would definitely have a problem with it.

Posted by Clemson_Orange on April 08, 2008 at 06:44 PM EDT #


When Jon Richt signed his LOI with Clemson in Feb he tried to get his Dad to wear a Clemson hat for the family photo. Coach Richt kept telling him no because the media would have a field day with it. Clemson and Georgia have not faced off on the grid iron in a few years, much less two nights prior in the national semis. Maybe apples and oranges, but I see some ties to the sticker-gate sitch.

Posted by clay_moody on April 08, 2008 at 07:50 PM EDT #


mater or against any of his former assistants. When Eddie Fogler was at South Carolina he would cringe at the idea of facing USC but I never bought into that. Do you proof read your blog MICKEY

Posted by ORANGECRUDE on April 08, 2008 at 08:56 PM EDT #


I seem to recall reading an article IN ADVANCE of the UNC-Kansas game where Roy Williams openly stated he wanted to sit in the Kansas section and root for Kansas. It's not like he surprised anyone. The guy is a fan of his old school--BFD. I really think this is being hyper-overblown and everyone in the media needs to back off.

Posted by grover173 on April 08, 2008 at 09:48 PM EDT #


Dude. It was a sticker. Let it go.

Posted by Fluxus on April 08, 2008 at 11:00 PM EDT #


It was sticker, grow up

Posted by OldTiger05 on April 09, 2008 at 10:59 AM EDT #


You guys that bash on MP need to get a life and quit bashing someone that's just doing his job.If you don't like the blog,don't read it.It's that simple.If you guys need to make fun of someone to make yourself feel better,there are plenty of dumb @$$ coots out there.I remember when T-net was fun,now it's just insult after insult...no wonder so many fans from other schools hate us,simply put-there are alot of Aholes on T-net,and that is why I don't even log on to it much anymore. So flame away Aholes,flame away...

Posted by tigerjebus on April 09, 2008 at 12:21 PM EDT #


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