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Brutal way to end a season - SCHSL 5A Lower State Baseball
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May 16, 2024, 10:19 PM
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So stumbled across this on Twitter/X tonight.
Summerville & Ashley Ridge were playing a winner take all game for the 5A Lower State final tonight. Summerville appeared to have won in extra innings. However, Ashley Ridge filed a protest afterward...apparently Summerville's pitcher went over a pitch count rule b/c he threw couple pitches the night prior. No official word from SCHSL, but seems to be understanding that Summerville will have to forfeit the game, sending Ashley Ridge to the state championship series.
https://x.com/SEisbergWCIV/status/1791276870144610698
https://x.com/SEisbergWCIV/status/1791283768398938277
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Re: Brutal way to end a season - SCHSL 5A Lower State Baseball
May 16, 2024, 10:26 PM
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That's just not good awareness at all by the Summerville coaches to not be keeping up with the pitch count and letting that happen with all that was on the line,the rule musta skip their minds altogether
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Re: Brutal way to end a season - SCHSL 5A Lower State Baseball
May 16, 2024, 10:41 PM
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Tough way to lose. Below is a cut and paste from SC High School pitching rules. If he pitched 83 pitches the 2nd day, that school forfeits.
If a pitcher throws on consecutive days, he has a maximum of 75 pitches on the 2nd day regardless of whether he threw one pitch or 30 pitches on the first day.
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Re: Brutal way to end a season - SCHSL 5A Lower State Baseball
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May 16, 2024, 10:51 PM
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Sounds like the Summerville coach just didn’t know the rule.
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Re: Brutal way to end a season - SCHSL 5A Lower State Baseball
May 17, 2024, 5:44 AM
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High school league usually wins , just saying
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Re: Brutal way to end a season - SCHSL 5A Lower State Baseball
May 17, 2024, 10:35 AM
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Tell me about it. I’ve dealt with them many times. I’m 0 & whatever.
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Re: Brutal way to end a season - SCHSL 5A Lower State Baseball
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May 17, 2024, 5:44 AM
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So, the sour grape team are admitting that 2 pitches beat them. If anything it should be a replay of the game bc I don't care how you see it, just two pitches over a rule count shouldn't be what gives the game to the losing team, and if that's the case, the team they give the win to, they're still losers, and more so for pushing the issue to get a win in a game they lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not saying I disagree with you, but why have this rule if not enforced ?
May 17, 2024, 8:50 AM
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It clearly states in the rules that there is a pitch count for pitchers who throw back to back days, the coaches really need to know this rule. The coaching staff put their team in jeopardy and yes it is unfortunate for the players...but rules have to be followed, the right call is forfeit albeit it is horrible that the team loses this way. Ignorance has nasty repercussions, really stinks
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Re: Brutal way to end a season - SCHSL 5A Lower State Baseball
May 17, 2024, 9:35 AM
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It's a rule. They broke it.
It's their job to know the rules and obey them.
The pitch count has been around for years.
and you're pretending that if they'd pulled their pitcher at the legal limit the backup would have gotten them a win when most likely there is a reason they didn't pull the pitcher at the required pitch count.
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Re: Brutal way to end a season - SCHSL 5A Lower State Baseball
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May 17, 2024, 6:42 AM
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would seem like it would be one of the more well known rules to coaching staffs
i would be surprised if they didn’t know what they were doing
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Very surprising. I am sure most parents of the pitchers
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May 17, 2024, 7:06 AM
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On any high school team are aware of all pitch count rules as they have watched hundreds of ball games in their son’s lives and kept track of pitches. Go to any game and it always a discussion toward the end of a game - not just pitches in that game, but how many they threw that week and/or what they need to save for upcoming games.
Even more surprising the coaches didn’t think about it.
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Re: Brutal way to end a season - SCHSL 5A Lower State Baseball
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May 17, 2024, 7:47 AM
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used to be no more than 10 innings a week. Which was honestly too much if you threw 6 or 7 on Monday and 2 or 3 on a Thursday or Friday
Id think the coaches probably were aware, just hoping no one else was aware. If the other team could manage without putting their ace back out there to get an out, then what they did absolutely matters. A couple pitches could be getting his team out of a bases loaded jam
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Still nothing official as I post this from SCHSL
May 17, 2024, 8:02 AM
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& couldn't track it down this morning, but saw a post that said AR and Summerville both had SP that played in the game night before (usually they play 2 games same night if 1 team staves off elimination - AR won game 1 but they had to play game 2 last night due to rain).
AR's pitcher had pitched night before as well & between both games, threw more pitches than the Summerville player (think like 90-something compared to 83 for the Summerville kid). But b/c the wording of the rules, Summerville will get popped b/c AR pulled their guy just before he could reach 75 pitch count limit.
I agree the Summerville coach should've been aware of the rule. Guess we'll see if they have any recourse.
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Re: Still nothing official as I post this from SCHSL
May 17, 2024, 8:46 AM
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& couldn't track it down this morning, but saw a post that said AR and Summerville both had SP that played in the game night before (usually they play 2 games same night if 1 team staves off elimination - AR won game 1 but they had to play game 2 last night due to rain).
AR's pitcher had pitched night before as well & between both games, threw more pitches than the Summerville player (think like 90-something compared to 83 for the Summerville kid). But b/c the wording of the rules, Summerville will get popped b/c AR pulled their guy just before he could reach 75 pitch count limit.
I agree the Summerville coach should've been aware of the rule. Guess we'll see if they have any recourse.
Ah, the Patriot way in action at the SCHSL level.
Rules are rules and coaches need to know but my gosh seeing the excerpt above about AR guy pitching more the night before and even having a higher pitch count but getting off on a technicality is lame.
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Re: Still nothing official as I post this from SCHSL
May 17, 2024, 12:05 PM
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Yep the rule says no more than 110 pitches in 1 game or 105 pitches in 2 consecutive days with no more than 75 pitches the 2nd day. So a SC High School pitcher can throw 30 pitches one day and 75 the next day. The technicality of the pitch count rule that Summerville didn't get or ignored is that the 75 pitch count on Day 2 doesn't matter if the pitcher throws 1 pitch or 30 pitches on day 1.
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That reminds me of when Ray Tanner .......
May 17, 2024, 9:48 AM
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who cared so deeply for his players ......... allowed his closer to throw something like 130 pitches in a College World Series game. Can't remember his name, but I do not think the player was ever heard from again!
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Roth if I recall correctly
May 17, 2024, 9:57 AM
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Roth
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Re: Roth if I recall correctly
May 17, 2024, 10:16 AM
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Wasn't Roth ....... Roth has been a reliever all year, but not the closer. I think he started and won the game against us. This pitcher came in later in a game and the game went a lot of extra innings.
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Re: Roth if I recall correctly
May 17, 2024, 10:31 AM
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It may have been Matt Price ..... not sure! But he threw way more pitches than he had ever thorn before.
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Aw man. That's awful. I get that rules are rules, but I am not sure as the
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May 17, 2024, 11:32 AM
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opposing coach, what I would have done. I get that you want to give your kids a chance to advance, but to force a forfeit against a team that just beat you because of eight extra pitches over an arbitrary pitch count max...who feels good about that? You throw the other coach under the bus for failure to count. You take a bunch of kids who won a game and flip them the bird on a technicality. Then you huddle your players and say "Yeah, you lost, but I found a minor violation that will allow us to advance instead of them! Go team!". Who is excited about that?
Just a tough situation.
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I don't care about either team but AR will get to advance. To me,
May 17, 2024, 2:58 PM
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I don't think a lot of their coach if he was sitting their counting pitches and waited until after the game to know he would advance on forfeit. I mean if you know the kid is going over, call it out right when it's about to happen. The kid gets pulled and they have to put a "lesser" pitcher in but it doesn't look like you just want to advance via forfeit .... that you actually want to earn it instead. Hopefully the upper state team whoever it is takes them down as it doesn't seem like they earned it on the field to me.
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Have to figure that Summerville coach either
May 17, 2024, 3:01 PM
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A) didn't know the rule
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B) perhaps he knew & was hoping Ashley Ridge (or nobody else there) knew & thought he'd get away with it
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Tough Luck for Summerville players
May 17, 2024, 3:04 PM
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who likely were coached and pushed by their coach all year to work hard and play smart ... and then this result.
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